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    Wish people would quit comparing us to Italy or bringing it up goes for Spain to




    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    Why not compare us to Japan or South Korea? Because our tracks look nothing like theirs.

    I really wish people would stop looking at number of deaths from smaller countries for two reasons, you need to 5-10X their populations to get to ours, and it isn't the number of deaths today compared to theirs today, it is the when you get to the relative number deaths. This isn't a death count game, it is a calendar fight.

    Don't think that we are OK because we are 1/4 of projected deaths- at our current rate that doesn't mean that we are 1/4 screwed, it just means that we are 4-6 days away from that. That's how these progressions go. Plus, this is the worlds worst 'throttle', you take action now that can only be measured in about 10-14 days for initial effects, but about a month for the real long term impact.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

    I count about 2500 new deaths in the EU. Not sure what 'New' means, I assume per day. We are at 250, but at current trends we'll be there in about a week. While most countries have death rates that bend down, ours has actually inflected up to a shorter time interval to doubling deaths. USA, USA, USA.

    And Spain is pulling ahead of Italy in new deaths. Now we'll hear about how the Spanish are different. Pretty soon, we'll just blame it on Catholics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Life's a Hillary View Post
    If anything good comes out of this it will be

    1) We are better prepared for another pandemic and have a ready to go plan of action
    2) People wash their damn hands
    3) People realize how dangerous the flu can be and get their flu shots
    ...and everyone will forget about it all once a new season of Dancing with the Stars begins.....

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    Some interesting facts on the H1N1 pandemic back in 2009:

    https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm

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    "During the pandemic, CDC provided estimates of the numbers of 2009 H1N1 cases, hospitalizations and deaths on seven different occasions. Final estimates were published in 2011. These final estimates were that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) occurred in the United States due to pH1N1. These final estimates are available at: Estimating the burden of 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1) in the United States (April 2009-April 2010)External Web Site Icon, Shrestha SS, et al., Clin Infect Dis. 2011 Jan 1;52 Suppl 1:S75-82."

    Where was the MSM and the ComDems screaming the sky is falling and deriding the President in 2009? Not taking away from the severity of covid-19 but the current political bias and the resulting public panic is disgusting.
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    Good. You want to be all grown up, you get to do all the grown up things.

    https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/da...s-banned-house

    A father in New York reportedly banned his son from the family home after the college student went on a spring break trip amidst the coronavirus pandemic. According to the father, it’s just too risky.

    Peter Levine, from Nanuet, N.Y., advised his 21-year-old son Matt against going to South Padre Island in Texas for Spring Break, the New York Post reports. While on the trip, Matt reportedly sent his father pictures showing him in situations that could have exposed him to the virus.

    “I spoke with him every day and told him that maybe they should come home,” Peter told the New York Post. “I was aggravated. The news here was getting worse and worse. Matt sent me pictures of him and his friends congregating outdoors and listening to live music. It’s the scene you would not want to be in.”

    When Matt finally made it back to his father's house, he apparently found his car full of groceries.

    “His grandparents live here and there is no need to expose them to god knows what he had been exposed to,” Peter explained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flenna View Post
    Some interesting facts on the H1N1 pandemic back in 2009:

    https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm

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    "During the pandemic, CDC provided estimates of the numbers of 2009 H1N1 cases, hospitalizations and deaths on seven different occasions. Final estimates were published in 2011. These final estimates were that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) occurred in the United States due to pH1N1. These final estimates are available at: Estimating the burden of 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1) in the United States (April 2009-April 2010)External Web Site Icon, Shrestha SS, et al., Clin Infect Dis. 2011 Jan 1;52 Suppl 1:S75-82."

    Where was the MSM and the ComDems screaming the sky is falling and deriding the President in 2009? Not taking away from the severity of covid-19 but the current political bias and the resulting public panic is disgusting.
    I asked this a few weeks ago too

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    Quote Originally Posted by flenna View Post
    Some interesting facts on the H1N1 pandemic back in 2009:

    https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm

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    "During the pandemic, CDC provided estimates of the numbers of 2009 H1N1 cases, hospitalizations and deaths on seven different occasions. Final estimates were published in 2011. These final estimates were that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) occurred in the United States due to pH1N1. These final estimates are available at: Estimating the burden of 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1) in the United States (April 2009-April 2010)External Web Site Icon, Shrestha SS, et al., Clin Infect Dis. 2011 Jan 1;52 Suppl 1:S75-82."

    Where was the MSM and the ComDems screaming the sky is falling and deriding the President in 2009? Not taking away from the severity of covid-19 but the current political bias and the resulting public panic is disgusting.
    I think part of the reason is that there are treatments, such as Tamaflu. My brother got the swine flu in 2009, and he looked like he was on death's door. But he and the rest of us took Tamaflu, he recovered and none of us got sick. Later, tests showed that H1N1 had a higher resistance to Tamaflu, but at the time, the feeling was that the pandemic could be controlled.

    Hopefully, people are using this pandemic to ready themselves for when a big one comes. People are taking HUGE precautions over a disease that, in 98% of the population, is going to manifest itself as a bad cold or flu. I'm hoping we can get an after action report that will help us when something like Ebola or Bird Flu hits.
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    Interesting article from Newsweek

    https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-covid...TaJjr6Ty1KIgWU

    WUHAN COVID-19 DEATH TOLL MAY BE IN TENS OF THOUSANDS, DATA ON CREMATIONS AND SHIPMENTS OF URNS SUGGEST

    BY CHRISTINA ZHAO

    stack of urns at a funeral home in Wuhan, the city's official cremation rates, and reports of an overwhelmed health care system have prompted speculation that Wuhan's real COVID-19 death toll could be in the tens of thousands—despite the Chinese government reporting 2,535 deaths from just over 50,000 coronavirus infections.

    The coronavirus outbreak was first identified in Wuhan, Hubei in December 2019, before it then spread around the world, killing more than 33,000 globally as of Sunday. China's aggressive containment methods have slowed the virus domestically, with official new cases reported plummeting in the past few weeks. So far, Beijing has confirmed roughly 81,000 cases and 3,300 deaths, mostly in Wuhan, the epicenter of the virus' outbreak. But many people, including U.S. politicians, have accused China of underplaying their real coronavirus death figure.

    Their skepticism were sparked by Chinese officials' attempts to cover up the severity of the outbreak in the early stages—before the disease became widespread overseas—and the numerous revisions made to how domestic cases are counted. Wuhan's medical system was overwhelmed during the height of the outbreak in China, which further raises questions as to the officially reported 2,535 deaths.

    In the fourth quarter of 2019, Wuhan also saw 56,007 cremations, a figure 1,583 higher than the fourth quarter of 2018, and 2,231 more than the fourth quarter of 2017, according to data released by the Wuhan civil affairs agency. In 2019, the Wuhan population grew by only 1.1 percent from 2018, according to a U.N. projection. These figures could indicate that the novel virus' emergence in December caused an increase in deaths—a trend that likely will have carried through to the first quarter of this year.

    Photos began circulating across Chinese social media this week of urns arriving in the epicenter of the outbreak, after families who had lost loved ones to the novel coronavirus were instructed to pick up cremated ashes from one of the local funeral homes in the city. These images raised a fresh round of questions about the real coronavirus death toll in China, with domestic citizens and international critics using the number of urns to accuse the Chinese government of lying about their figures.

    Newsweek reached out to the office of Chinese Ambassador to the United States Cui Tiankai via email for comment. The Chinese Foreign Ministry was also contacted for comment, but a response was not received in time for publication.

    Trucks dropped off roughly 2,500 urns on Wednesday and again on Thursday local time to one of the eight local funeral homes, a driver told Chinese media outlet Caixin. The news site also published another photo showing 3,500 urns stacked inside the facility. The number of urns that arrived in that one funeral home was far greater than the city's official overall death COVID-19 toll.

    Some Wuhan residents estimate that the coronavirus death toll could be 26,000, based on the amount of urns being delivered and distributed across the city. Citizens on Chinese social media have said that seven Wuhan funeral homes will likely distribute 3,500 urns per day on average from March 23 to April 4, which marks Qing Ming, the traditional tomb-sweeping festival. By that estimate, 42,000 urns would be given out in the 12-day period.

    By subtracting the expected deaths of roughly 16,000 in Wuhan, based on China's annual death rate over two and a half months, they estimate that the urns show that the coronavirus outbreak could have resulted in approximately 26,000 deaths. It is currently unclear, however, how many of the urns have been used.

    Math based on urns, assumptions and social media isn't anything to go by. But it offers one estimation of the city's real death figure and further lends credence to the skepticism held by many of the accuracy of the Chinese government's officially reported Wuhan COVID-19 death tally.

    Republican Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas cited the urn deliveries on Sunday to accuse China of misrepresenting the impact of the virus. "A *single mortuary* in Wuhan reportedly ordered more urns in two days than the Chinese Communist Party has reported total deaths in the whole country," he tweeted. "I'm sure you're shocked by evidence of Chinese lies."

    The U.S. and Italy have both surpassed China in confirmed COVID-19 cases. America on Saturday became the first country to confirm over 100,000 cases of the novel coronavirus.
    Not really surprising (Communist China lies? Shocking!), but its interesting to see how they worked out their claim. At worst, it seems on par with the "x percentage of people are infected and don't ever know!" stats used to downplay COVID's impact.
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    That's 5,000 to one funeral home. I watched a news story out of Italy over the weekend about a priest blessing coffins in a church and he brought up a point I had not considered. If you catch this and die in the hospital you do so alone, no family visits and afterwards you go into a sealed casket, family closure issues are likely to be an issue with this evil scrounge.

    5,000 Urns Shipped to Funeral Homes in Wuhan Raise Questions about China's True Death Toll

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/5000-ur...ue-death-toll/

    Photos of thousands of ash urns from Wuhan have been circulating on Chinese social media, raising additional questions about China's "official" death toll from the coronavirus. The Chinese government says the total number of deaths from the virus has been 3300 with just 23 deaths in the last week. New cases, the government says, have slowed to a trickle.

    The New York Post reports that 5,000 ash urns were delivered to one funeral home in two days, although it was unclear how many of the urns were filled. Other social media posts about the urns strongly suggest there are far more dead than the government is letting on, and they're threatening the dead people's families to keep them quiet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoringGuy45 View Post
    I think part of the reason is that there are treatments, such as Tamaflu. My brother got the swine flu in 2009, and he looked like he was on death's door. But he and the rest of us took Tamaflu, he recovered and none of us got sick. Later, tests showed that H1N1 had a higher resistance to Tamaflu, but at the time, the feeling was that the pandemic could be controlled.

    Hopefully, people are using this pandemic to ready themselves for when a big one comes. People are taking HUGE precautions over a disease that, in 98% of the population, is going to manifest itself as a bad cold or flu. I'm hoping we can get an after action report that will help us when something like Ebola or Bird Flu hits.
    My comment was not on the severity of Covid-19 but on how the media and politicians are handling it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honu View Post
    Wish people would quit comparing us to Italy or bringing it up goes for Spain to
    Gee, I wonder why. Imagine if we had done nothing and Italy was the good scenario - Imagine the crap storm for Trump then.

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    ...and everyone will forget about it all once a new season of Dancing with the Stars begins.....
    Dancing with The SARS... N95s, face shields, drape gowns.

    Quote Originally Posted by flenna View Post
    Some interesting facts on the H1N1 pandemic back in 2009:

    https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm

    Quote:

    "During the pandemic, CDC provided estimates of the numbers of 2009 H1N1 cases, hospitalizations and deaths on seven different occasions. Final estimates were published in 2011. These final estimates were that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) occurred in the United States due to pH1N1. These final estimates are available at: Estimating the burden of 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1) in the United States (April 2009-April 2010)External Web Site Icon, Shrestha SS, et al., Clin Infect Dis. 2011 Jan 1;52 Suppl 1:S75-82."

    Where was the MSM and the ComDems screaming the sky is falling and deriding the President in 2009? Not taking away from the severity of covid-19 but the current political bias and the resulting public panic is disgusting.
    You do realize that the death count is FOR OVER A YEAR time frame, and we will blow through that 12k probably in the first week of April, less than a month since we were put on lockdown? We will have 10-20X that, and that doesn't really figure in if there is a Fall wave too. And all this is with these extreme measures. If we did nothing and treated it like the Flu? I don't know how many would die. Maybe 500k, probably more after you saturate the ICUs and they start extreme triage on people.

    Wait.

    It's coming, or it's not. America is blessed, so maybe it won't be as bad as the facts point to. Even Trump blew through his mid April date and talked north of 100k deaths. That's a clue.
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