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    Locally, we run a trauma symposium that is always well received and enlightening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teufelhund1918 View Post
    Just thinking ahead with all this stuff going on here in Va. Even beyond that, with all the shootings going on anymore, I think it is a good idea to have some knowledge of how to treat traumatic injuries like GSWs to be able to help in a meaningful way if needed.
    No. Trying to treat injured humans with "some" knowledge is never a good idea. Either get advanced training, or carry a cell phone, an ABD bandage, and leave injured humans to the people who are trained to take care of them.

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    dupe ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    No. Trying to treat injured humans with "some" knowledge is never a good idea. Either get advanced training, or carry a cell phone, an ABD bandage, and leave injured humans to the people who are trained to take care of them.
    Completely misses the point.

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    NOLS Wilderness First Aid (WFA): https://www.nols.edu/en/coursefinder...first-aid-WFA/
    NOLS Wilderness First Responder (WFR): https://www.nols.edu/en/coursefinder...responder-WFR/

    Wilderness Medical Associates (WMA) has similar products, https://www.wildmed.com/, but I am a NOLS alum.

    "Wilderness" med is not exclusive to the austere, and provides a credible, accessible, functional level of ability that is useful in a variety of applications. The WFA is the shorter, cheaper, and simpler, but substantially more useful than a typical community first-aid course. The WFR is a deeper dive, but similarly more useful (and marketable).

    As brother Serious pointed out, Caleb Causey offers excellent products for a variety of contexts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fedupflyer View Post
    Completely misses the point.
    Ditto... out where I live, the nearest real hospital is at least 1 hour away... and that is on a normal day. It's bad enough that literally about every day a life flight helicopter is landing at the local high school to evacuate someone to a hospital for treatment. They are working on getting the hospital back into the area, but it is a slow process.

    I've work in a penitentiary for 17 years now. I've seen traumatic injuries from inmates fighting with about everything you can imagine. The Red Cross training doesn't even touch what I've seen. There are medical staff here, and they do a good job. My thoughts about getting training on this stuff is for any situation that might occur when the SHTF and proper medical treatment isn't an option for a while. I would want to at least have some knowledge that would help not just myself but someone else to be able to be stabilized long enough to make it to proper treatment if it might take a while.

    PS- Thanks to everyone who posted up the links. Hopefully I can find one close by. I'm out in Southwestern Virginia... yes there is more to VA past Roanoke! Lol....
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    Start with Stop the Bleed and go from there. Almost no one needs a TCCC class. The info is irrelevant for 99% of people. Look on ASHI/MEDIC for associated first aid and trauma classes. Basic first aid and STB will cover just about every possible scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teufelhund1918 View Post
    Ditto... out where I live, the nearest real hospital is at least 1 hour away... and that is on a normal day. It's bad enough that literally about every day a life flight helicopter is landing at the local high school to evacuate someone to a hospital for treatment. They are working on getting the hospital back into the area, but it is a slow process.

    I've work in a penitentiary for 17 years now. I've seen traumatic injuries from inmates fighting with about everything you can imagine. The Red Cross training doesn't even touch what I've seen. There are medical staff here, and they do a good job. My thoughts about getting training on this stuff is for any situation that might occur when the SHTF and proper medical treatment isn't an option for a while. I would want to at least have some knowledge that would help not just myself but someone else to be able to be stabilized long enough to make it to proper treatment if it might take a while.

    PS- Thanks to everyone who posted up the links. Hopefully I can find one close by. I'm out in Southwestern Virginia... yes there is more to VA past Roanoke! Lol....
    So get some real actual training. These are perishable skills. No place for "hobbyists". Take it seriously or don't do it. THAT is the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teufelhund1918 View Post
    Ditto... out where I live, the nearest real hospital is at least 1 hour away... and that is on a normal day. It's bad enough that literally about every day a life flight helicopter is landing at the local high school to evacuate someone to a hospital for treatment. They are working on getting the hospital back into the area, but it is a slow process.

    I've work in a penitentiary for 17 years now. I've seen traumatic injuries from inmates fighting with about everything you can imagine. The Red Cross training doesn't even touch what I've seen. There are medical staff here, and they do a good job. My thoughts about getting training on this stuff is for any situation that might occur when the SHTF and proper medical treatment isn't an option for a while. I would want to at least have some knowledge that would help not just myself but someone else to be able to be stabilized long enough to make it to proper treatment if it might take a while.

    PS- Thanks to everyone who posted up the links. Hopefully I can find one close by. I'm out in Southwestern Virginia... yes there is more to VA past Roanoke! Lol....
    How close are you to Covington? I know they have done Stop the Bleed, and I believe it's free (when I teach it, I charge, but I add a few other trauma components).

    Edited to add, the only way to fix trauma is with surgery. The only things you can do to stabilize is MARCH and give blood; you ain't gonna give blood. TQ the limb, direct pressure and cover everything else, keep the person warm, and wait for transport.
    Last edited by chuckman; 01-30-20 at 13:23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    So get some real actual training. These are perishable skills. No place for "hobbyists". Take it seriously or don't do it. THAT is the point.
    That’s what he’s asking for? Some are contributing by providing links to training. Are you implying those links are to a substandard training? Do you have information on “real” training and just not providing it? Should he go to medical school? Do you carry a gun for a living? Have you ever taken firearms training? Do you have anything helpful to direct someone to the right path? Asking for a friend...

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