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    Consciousness Cannot Have Evolved

    https://iai.tv/articles/consciousnes...lved-auid-1302

    The overwhelmingly validated theory of evolution tells us that the functions performed by our organs arose from associated increases in survival fitness. For instance, the bile produced by our liver and the insulin produced by our pancreas help us absorb nutrients and thus survive. Insofar as it is produced by the brain, our phenomenal consciousness—i.e. our ability to subjectively experience the world and ourselves—is no exception: it, too, must give us some survival advantage, otherwise natural selection wouldn’t have fixed it in our genome. In other words, our sentience—to the extent that it is produced by the brain—must perform a beneficial function, otherwise we would be unconscious zombies.

    Phenomenal consciousness cannot have evolved. It can only have been there from the beginning as an intrinsic, irreducible fact of nature. The faster we come to terms with this fact, the faster our understanding of consciousness will progress.
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    Psalm 139:13-15
    13 For Thou hast possessed my reins. Thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb.

    14 I will praise Thee, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; marvelous are Thy works, and that my soul knoweth right well.

    15 My substance was not hid from Thee when I was made in secret, and intricately wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
    Psalm 34:19

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    ^ sums it up

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6u0VBqNBQ8

    A good explanation of how consciousness likely evolved along with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flenna View Post
    Psalm 139:13-15
    13 For Thou hast possessed my reins. Thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb.

    14 I will praise Thee, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; marvelous are Thy works, and that my soul knoweth right well.

    15 My substance was not hid from Thee when I was made in secret, and intricately wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
    Just...AMEN brother...Amen.
    To me...evolution has been about as "overwhelmingly validated" as the made up impeachment crap about President Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tn1911 View Post
    https://iai.tv/articles/consciousnes...lved-auid-1302

    The overwhelmingly validated theory of evolution tells us that the functions performed by our organs arose from associated increases in survival fitness. For instance, the bile produced by our liver and the insulin produced by our pancreas help us absorb nutrients and thus survive. Insofar as it is produced by the brain, our phenomenal consciousness—i.e. our ability to subjectively experience the world and ourselves—is no exception: it, too, must give us some survival advantage, otherwise natural selection wouldn’t have fixed it in our genome. In other words, our sentience—to the extent that it is produced by the brain—must perform a beneficial function, otherwise we would be unconscious zombies.

    Phenomenal consciousness cannot have evolved. It can only have been there from the beginning as an intrinsic, irreducible fact of nature. The faster we come to terms with this fact, the faster our understanding of consciousness will progress.
    Sounds like an argument against evolution and for not just intelligent design, but the old the universe is only 5 thousand years old. If it could not have evolved, it has to have been here all the time in us, which means that humans must have always been here.

    Nope.

    Not hard to see sentience, or self awareness evolving in animals. Dogs innately understand that humans can do and know things that they don't know or can do, wolves don't but a dog still doesn't understand a mirror. Primates have different levels of self awareness with some having self awareness to understand what a mirror image is.

    There is a HUGE evolutionary pressure for sentience. Almost like the race for AI in computers. Planning, communication, society, ethics and abstract thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Shooter View Post
    Just...AMEN brother...Amen.
    To me...evolution has been about as "overwhelmingly validated" as the made up impeachment crap about President Trump.
    You evolved from an Ape. Accept it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    Sounds like an argument against evolution and for not just intelligent design, but the old the universe is only 5 thousand years old. If it could not have evolved, it has to have been here all the time in us, which means that humans must have always been here.

    Nope.

    Not hard to see sentience, or self awareness evolving in animals. Dogs innately understand that humans can do and know things that they don't know or can do, wolves don't but a dog still doesn't understand a mirror. Primates have different levels of self awareness with some having self awareness to understand what a mirror image is.

    There is a HUGE evolutionary pressure for sentience. Almost like the race for AI in computers. Planning, communication, society, ethics and abstract thought.
    If we are going to dig deeper, there is no reason to believe the universe is young. Just we are.

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    Im pretty sure YOU did. The Lord God made me. Youll see one day soon.
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    Remember the Lord, for He is GREAT & TERRIBLE!
    FIGHT for your bretheren..for your sons & for your daughters,
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    Quote Originally Posted by tn1911 View Post
    https://iai.tv/articles/consciousnes...lved-auid-1302

    The overwhelmingly validated theory of evolution tells us that the functions performed by our organs arose from associated increases in survival fitness. For instance, the bile produced by our liver and the insulin produced by our pancreas help us absorb nutrients and thus survive. Insofar as it is produced by the brain, our phenomenal consciousness—i.e. our ability to subjectively experience the world and ourselves—is no exception: it, too, must give us some survival advantage, otherwise natural selection wouldn’t have fixed it in our genome. In other words, our sentience—to the extent that it is produced by the brain—must perform a beneficial function, otherwise we would be unconscious zombies.

    Phenomenal consciousness cannot have evolved. It can only have been there from the beginning as an intrinsic, irreducible fact of nature. The faster we come to terms with this fact, the faster our understanding of consciousness will progress.
    You should look up Conway's game of life. Incredibly complex systems can arise from from a very simple system given enough time.

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