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    Quote Originally Posted by stronghold View Post
    asking what they do over any other AK manufacturer is like asking what les baer does to the 1911 over any other manufacturer. how can you not appreciate the benefits of skilled gunsmiths and hand fitting, over assembly line mfg and hired hands that don't care about he end product?
    So you are comparing a semi-custom 1911 to a Kalashnikov?

    Ok.

    Look, we all have our preferences and if you want to buy an AK from one of those guys you mentioned that's fine. I'm sure they all can assemble a parts kits quite well. But I am not buying into the marketing hype of "these AK's are specifically built for hard use by warriors" etc. That's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ls6man View Post
    I would agree most AK guys are more shooters
    I'm not sure I agree with that statement. Certainly a lot more shooters have taken an interest in the platform in the last couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Katar View Post
    So you are comparing a semi-custom 1911 to a Kalashnikov?
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    talk about being evasive.

    first you twist my statement around and then neglect to answer the question asked.

    i never compared an AK to a semi custom 1911.

    1911s are built from parts. the same parts go into all 1911s (albeit some parts are better than others). it's up to the gunsmith building the weapon to have an intricate knowledge and understanding of how the platform works in order to build a quality weapon. the same applies to any platform.

    so again i ask,
    do you not appreciate the benefits of skilled gunsmiths and hand fitting, over assembly line mfg and hired hands that don't care about the end product?
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    I have a couple new in bags 6920's and would love to add a nice AK to my collection, but have not had the opportunity and with prices the way they are, I think I will keep my 6920's. I would have to guess that the Colts will hold their value more in the future with the way things are currently.
    I would love one of these elusive AK's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Katar View Post
    I'm not sure I agree with that statement. Certainly a lot more shooters have taken an interest in the platform in the last couple of years.

    IMO if you took the majority of AK owners and asked them they would say "shooters" vs. "collectors" they would say "shooters" There are some guys who will pay and collect top end AK's..milled Arsenals, Legends, Kassnar rifles, the pre-ban Yugo's..but IMO the majority of AK owners just like the look, reliability of the design, and don't see paying 2-3x what a WASR is going for..just to have a nicer product...

    IMO there is no point in having an AK built by some "guru" either.. When it comes to AK's I personally can't see how someone is going to make the design more reliable and certainly AK's aren't tack drivers..nor should they be..So what is the point...I dare not say a WASR which is in specs and a Krebs rifle will give the same performance and reliabilty...The difference is the Krebs rifle will be more collectible I would guess over a WASR..but IMO I wouldn't buy one and certainly wouldn't buy one over an Arsenal rifle....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ls6man View Post
    IMO if you took the majority of AK owners and asked them they would say "shooters" vs. "collectors" they would say "shooters" There are some guys who will pay and collect top end AK's..milled Arsenals, Legends, Kassnar rifles, the pre-ban Yugo's..but IMO the majority of AK owners just like the look, reliability of the design, and don't see paying 2-3x what a WASR is going for..just to have a nicer product...
    You forgot a category: assimilators.

    You nailed the collectors but we may have different definitions of "shooter." Lots of guys used to buy up relatively cheap AK's but not necessarily really shoot them. Think about it - if you own 14 AK's how many rounds do you actually put through each one individually in a year?

    When I say shooter I am more referring to a guy who trains with AR's and then decides to pick up a WASR and puts 4,000 to 6,000 rounds through it in a year.

    Quote Originally Posted by ls6man View Post
    IMO there is no point in having an AK built by some "guru" either.. When it comes to AK's I personally can't see how someone is going to make the design more reliable and certainly AK's aren't tack drivers..nor should they be..So what is the point...I dare not say a WASR which is in specs and a Krebs rifle will give the same performance and reliabilty...The difference is the Krebs rifle will be more collectible I would guess over a WASR..but IMO I wouldn't buy one and certainly wouldn't buy one over an Arsenal rifle....
    I am tracking with you 100% here - and believe me, I own AK's built by "gurus"... A highly skilled 1911 gunsmith will be able to tweak the accuracy and reliability of the gun, whereas with the exception of fixing some major issue there aren't really any accuracy or reliability tweaks to speak of for an AK. You can make them look a helluva lot nicer, though.
    Last edited by Jay Cunningham; 11-21-08 at 10:26.

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