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    Quote Originally Posted by JediGuy View Post

    Change My Mind
    Nope, I'll only add that those items are manufactured by political prisoners and when they don't meet their quotas the Chinese harvest their organs on a "made to order" basis.

    Reagan called the Soviet Union "the evil empire" and to a large extent it was true, and while the Russians did some truly reprehensible shit that was devoid of humanity in a way not seen since 1945, the Chinese are breaking new ground when it comes to souless atrocity.

    Human beings has simply become another commodity, not for the work they may provide or even an expendable labor source, they have become little more than a host for the organs on demand market.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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    A consumer economy based off of chinese goods is bad. I don't like it, don't think consumerism is good anyway, let alone when your consuming your whole damn economy from an untrustworthy communist country.
    You won't outvote the corruption.
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    >US Labor

    I think haircuts, nail salons, and financial consulting are safe for the moment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
    Why not? It’s going to BTFO of US labor, too.




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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainRaven View Post
    "May end up complicit"? May?

    I'd bet there's some Talib in some cave in Afghanistan, right now, with a Holosun on his gun. A rugged, reliable Holosun developed in China using American dollars. And has very likely been used to shoot at American servicemen and -women in Afghanistan.

    There is probably some ISIS dude in Syria or Iraq, someone associated with Hezbollah, who is similarly equipped.
    I'd be willing to bet for every Taliban or ISIS fighter with a Holosun or other Chinese produced, decent quality red dot, there are several with American purchased EOTechs, Aimpoints, and ACOGs they've either taken from US troops or coalition partner nations or simply been provided them with weapons directly by our government.
    It's f*****g great, putting holes in people, all the time, and it just puts 'em down mate, they drop like sacks of s**t when they go down with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlander Systems View Post
    >US Labor

    I think haircuts, nail salons, and financial consulting are safe for the moment.
    Omnichannel marketing and consultant services though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainRaven View Post
    "May end up complicit"? May?

    I'd bet there's some Talib in some cave in Afghanistan, right now, with a Holosun on his gun. A rugged, reliable Holosun developed in China using American dollars. And has very likely been used to shoot at American servicemen and -women in Afghanistan.
    Countries have always cloned/copied US issued optics or similar.

    Do you really think they wouldn't clone acogs or red dots, even if they (clones) weren't allowed to be sold in the US?

    Most guys in caves aren't using rifles one of these would easily go on anyway.

    I sort of understand the core sentiment, I think some of the examples are a bit extreme.

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    Good luck getting anything from China now.

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    The Chinese Govt is way more crooked than any mafia, cartel, or any other criminal organization on the face of the earth. My big problem with them is their abuse of their own people. We all bitch about our 2nd Amendment Rights and abuse of our other rights... and rightfully so.... but over there, the Chinese people are used for slave labor for the government owned businesses and basically have no rights. Cheap labor and currency manipulation to produce goods with stolen technology is the big reason why the Chinese can offer cheap goods to us. No body can compete with that. The Chinese government has a death grip on their society. As example, look at what is going on with the virus. People who have spoken out have just vanished. Who knows what the real numbers are on the corona virus. How about the Tiananmen Square Massacre? Don't be a Christian either. But, back to the original question, if it was a fair market, the Chinese would still be back in the stone age. It burns me up that people and organizations worldwide gripe about human rights in other places, but seem to turn a deaf ear to China.
    Repression Is Nine Tenths The Law

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Boon View Post
    Good luck getting anything from China now.
    Our log dept still has plenty of meds and other supplies, such as IV catheters from China, unfortunately.
    RLTW

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    Full text of "Solzhenitsyn: The Voice of Freedom"
    https://archive.org/stream/Solzhenit.../SVF2_djvu.txt

    "But just as we feel ourselves your allies here, there
    also exists another alliance — at first glance a strange
    one, a surprising one— but if you think about it, in
    fact, one which is well-grounded and easy to under-



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    stand: this is the alliance between our Communist
    leaders and your capitalists.

    This alliance is not new. The very famous Armand
    Hammer, who is flourishing here today, laid the basis
    for this when he made the first exploratory trip into
    Russia, still in Lenin's time, in the very first years of
    the Revolution. He was extremely successful in this
    intelligence mission and since that time for all these
    50 years, we observe continuous and steady support
    by the businessmen of the West of the Soviet Commu-
    nist leaders.

    Their clumsy and awkward economy, which could
    never overcome its own difTiculties by itself, is contin-
    ually getting material and technological assistance.
    The major construction projects in the initial five-
    year plan were built exclusively with American tech-
    nology and materials. Even Stalin recognized that two-
    thirds of what was needed Vv-as obtained from the
    West. And if today the Soviet Union has powerful
    military and police forces — in a country which is by
    contemporary standards poor- — they arc used to crush
    our movement for freedom in the Soviet Union — and
    we have western capital to thank for this also.

    Let me remind you of a recent incident which some
    of you may have seen in the newspapers, although
    others might have missed it: Certain of your business-
    men, on their own initiative, established an exhibition
    of criminological technolosv in Moscow. This was the



    most recent and elaborate technology, which here, in
    your country, is used to catch criminals, to bug them,
    to spy on them, to photograph them, to tail them, to
    identify criminals, This was taken to Moscow to an
    exhibition in order that the Soviet KGB agents could
    study it, as if not understanding what sort of criminals,
    who would be hunted by the KGB,

    The Soviet government was extremely interested in
    this technology, and decided to purchase it. And your
    businessmen were quite willing to sell it. Only when a
    few sober voices here raised an uproar against it was
    this deal blocked. Only for this reason it didn't take
    place. But you have to realize how clever the KGB
    is. This technology didn't have to stay twx^ or three
    weeks in a Soviet building under Soviet guard. Two
    or three nights were enough for the KGB there to look
    through it and copy it. And if today, persons are being
    hunted down by the best and most advanced tech-
    nology, for this, I can also thank your western capi-
    talists.

    This is something which is almost incomprehensible
    to the human mind; that burning greed for profit
    which goes beyond all reason, all self-control, all
    conscience, only to get money,

    I must say that Lenin forelold this whole process.
    Lenin, who spent most of his life in the West and not
    in Russia, who knew the West much better than Rus-
    sia, always wrote and said that the western capitalists
    would do anything to strengthen the economv of ihe



    USSR. They will compete with each other to sell us
    goods cheaper and sell them quicker, so that the
    Soviets wil! buy from one rather than from the other.
    He said: They will bring it themselves without think-
    ing about their future. And, in a difficult moment, at a
    party meeting in iVIoscow. he said: ''Comrades, don't
    panic, when things go very hard for us, we wall give
    a rope to the bourgeoisie, and the bourgeoisie will
    hang itself."

    Then, Karl Radek. whom you may have heard of,
    who was a very resourceful wit, said: "Vladimir
    Ilyich, but where are we going to get enough rope to
    hang the whole bourgeoisie?"

    Lenin eftortlessly replied, 'They'll supply us with
    it." "

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