Type 1, Type 2, Type 3 Rant

[26 Inf]

This thread, and the video on the website linked to, got me thinking about terminology:

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...72#post2817372

I've never favored the code phrases for malfunctions for a couple reasons -

First off, what occurs is not a secret, nor is the methodology used to fix or clear the malfunction.

Secondly, my brain is already packed to the brim with important info, bath time, lunch time, etc. and using the 'Type' code requires me to remember not only the proper name for the malfunction, but the tacticool name for it. This is kind of why law enforcement went away from total use of ten-codes, to mixed clear speech.

Furthermore, shooters need to know what the pistol/rifle has done in order to fix it AND keep it from occurring in the future. I doubt that anyone teaches a Type 1 malfunction drill without some explanation similar to this one I just copied from the web:

Type I Malfunction: You press the trigger and get “click” instead of “bang.” The Type I malfunction may be due to no round in the chamber; this is why we make sure to tug on the magazine to ensure it’s seated and check the chamber during the loading process to be sure there’s a round chambered. Or, the Type I malfunction can be due to a bad round, for example a faulty primer that doesn’t ignite the powder charge. Ultimately it doesn’t matter, we’re going to treat it the same .....

So since you have to remember 'fail to feed, or fail to fire' in order to understand you have a 'Type 1' malfunction, why not just skip the extra nomenclature and say: fail to feed/fire?

I think a lot of the time we instructors actually muddy the water because we want to seem very knowledgeable and serious.

As an example, although we never used the 'type' nomenclature, we made a big deal to our students that we taught the malfunctions in the order in which they occurred in the operational cycle. Looking back, I don't think that is super important knowledge to impart, but it does make you look like you know what you are talking about...

[tn1911]

This is a solid type 2 rant here!

[SteyrAUG]

This thread, and the video on the website linked to, got me thinking about terminology:

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...72#post2817372

I've never favored the code phrases for malfunctions for a couple reasons -

First off, what occurs is not a secret, nor is the methodology used to fix or clear the malfunction.

Secondly, my brain is already packed to the brim with important info, bath time, lunch time, etc. and using the 'Type' code requires me to remember not only the proper name for the malfunction, but the tacticool name for it. This is kind of why law enforcement went away from total use of ten-codes, to mixed clear speech.

Furthermore, shooters need to know what the pistol/rifle has done in order to fix it AND keep it from occurring in the future. I doubt that anyone teaches a Type 1 malfunction drill without some explanation similar to this one I just copied from the web:

Type I Malfunction: You press the trigger and get “click” instead of “bang.” The Type I malfunction may be due to no round in the chamber; this is why we make sure to tug on the magazine to ensure it’s seated and check the chamber during the loading process to be sure there’s a round chambered. Or, the Type I malfunction can be due to a bad round, for example a faulty primer that doesn’t ignite the powder charge. Ultimately it doesn’t matter, we’re going to treat it the same .....

So since you have to remember 'fail to feed, or fail to fire' in order to understand you have a 'Type 1' malfunction, why not just skip the extra nomenclature and say: fail to feed/fire?

I think a lot of the time we instructors actually muddy the water because we want to seem very knowledgeable and serious.

As an example, although we never used the 'type' nomenclature, we made a big deal to our students that we taught the malfunctions in the order in which they occurred in the operational cycle. Looking back, I don't think that is super important knowledge to impart, but it does make you look like you know what you are talking about...

If it makes you feel better, somehow I missed getting type 1, 2 or 3 and really thought this would be about the Kalashnikov series. I know them as fail to feed, fail to fire, fail to eject, etc.

[Kyohte]

Most jargon in the firearms community, and most communities in general, is marketing.


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[Straight Shooter]

Most jargon in the firearms community, and most communities in general, is marketing.


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Yall are speaking what Ive been sayin for years now- all this "tactical" crap...I literally HATE that word now, along with the STUPID terminology like "workspace"..."admin reload"..calling a weapon a "platform"... F OFF with that that shit. Many more I could name & you all know them too. ENOUGH already with the Ranger Rick talk.

[just a scout]

Yall are speaking what Ive been sayin for years now- all this "tactical" crap...I literally HATE that word now, along with the STUPID terminology like "workspace"..."admin reload"..calling a weapon a "platform"... F OFF with that that shit. Many more I could name & you all know them too. ENOUGH already with the Ranger Rick talk.

Hey!! Ranger Rick was The Dude back in the 80s and early 90s! I learned a ton from his little handbooks.


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[Pappabear]

Looks pretty cool to me, only need one. You cant practice this drill routinely unless you own a KIMBER,

PB

[SteyrAUG]

Yall are speaking what Ive been sayin for years now- all this "tactical" crap...I literally HATE that word now, along with the STUPID terminology like "workspace"..."admin reload"..calling a weapon a "platform"... F OFF with that that shit. Many more I could name & you all know them too. ENOUGH already with the Ranger Rick talk.

I understand it to a certain extent. LEOs having the same training and jargon makes sense, obviously if you are actually in the military or some kind of special forces it makes sense. The problem of course is the guys who either are LARPing hard or simply want to attract the wannabe contingent of the firearms community.

I still remember about 10 years ago watching some group do a live fire assault on the range and it was like a neckbeard melle with some of the worst gun handling I've seen and 20-25 moving up along every one else's line of fire. I bet they really felt Delta that day but I've seen junior rifle clubs with more competent shooting skills.

Also probably has a lot to do with being a certain age, I remember when I felt it was more sworn duty to explain to everyone the difference between a clip and a magazine, then you get older and you only care that everyone is being safe and if they want to call a magazine a twinkie it really doesn't matter.

The guys walking around explaining admin reloads probably mean well, back in the revolutionary days there was probably some idiot yelling "misfire....reprime....recock" and in 200 years they will have new, equally retarded terminology for the "make me feel special" crowd to run into the ground.

And yeah, for awhile I've mentally substituted the word practical for tactical whenever relevant, eventually people will get sick of the "practical" guys for the same reasons.

[Kyohte]

Also probably has a lot to do with being a certain age, I remember when I felt it was more sworn duty to explain to everyone the difference between a clip and a magazine, then you get older and you only care that everyone is being safe and if they want to call a magazine a twinkie it really doesn't matter.

From now on, I will describe reloads as “remove the stale twinkie and insert a fresh twinkie”. I’m not sure if there really is such a thing as a fresh twinkie, and for some reason politicians keep wanting to ban extra-stuffed twinkies.


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[mark5pt56]

It is funny, I don't even know what the "type " crap is, heard it, don't care. We just just say soft or hard malfunction. Or if you want to make it simple and poke fun

click no bang, tap/rack

if it looks like a train wreck or a seal party, someone needs to be locked up and shoved out the door to make room-one in-one out