Filling classes requires a perpetual flow of pretentious bullshit....Originally Posted by Kyohte
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Filling classes requires a perpetual flow of pretentious bullshit....
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Two immediate actions clear them all in a pistol;
Tap/rack. If that doesn't work strip magazine, cycle the slide, insert new mag, cycle the slide.
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Type classification for stoppages has been around for decades and is nothing new nor is it associated with "tactical" trends. The problem with it over time is that folks redefine them and what one person or place is teaching is different than another. Students learn the term, it's associated conditions, and correction procedure required for that condition. The result is a lack of consistency and permanency as they go on.
Sometimes, we have to have particular words to call things to enhance communication across a discipline. The balance and sweet-spot for can be elusive though.
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I first heard type Type 1-3 from Cooper and Smith along with condition 1-3 and a crazy color code of awareness; not really what I would call tacticool guys, but I do think back in the day they over-complicated a lot of things.
I'm sure many would disagree with me but for several years I have just taught everything gets a tap/rack; if that doesn't fix it unload, check the chamber and reload with a fresh mag which will fix everything except broken parts.
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That's one of the more common things between types, each clearance starts with seating the magazine and attempting to rack the slide. An improperly seated mag or an empty chamber is also the most frequent problem, so that alone works 90% of the time.
Teaching a reload as a universal correction can also be a thing, and as you say corrects almost everything. Issues are the availability of a spare mag or retention of the magazine in use. (Now, cue the "never hold onto a bad mag", "keep every mag...you'll need the ammo later", "you'll never be able to pick up your mag" crowds.)
A friend spends a huge amount of time in some of his classes teaching super-deliberate loading and unloading of the gun. I found it a bit odd at first, until I saw how much less time he needed to spend on reloading and stoppage clearance as so much groundwork had been laid already. And since most NDs are associated with the loading/unloading and the related admin processes, it really made sense as part of safety as well.
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Exactly my thought process. It's a means to an end; but not the only way of doing it.
I don't know that I would call what I spend a huge amount of time, but I do spend a fair amount covering deliberate loading and unloading mainly because virtually every ND I've had from students the last 12 years has been from someone who shoots competition and uses the competition clear. They screw up the order, rack the slide, drop the mag and bang into the berm when they drop the hammer. I have found that doing that and malfunctions up front lessens the time in class that I need to spend with people who can't get/keep their gun running.
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Love it. That's almost sig line worthy.
Eh, I don't mind the terminology, especially when it has a clear meaning. Terms like "workspace" help people visualize what is being taught/discussed, "admin reload" refers a reload for a specific purpose, or even "platform," recognizing that a weapon is no longer simply a shooty stick, but something that is the baseline for a larger "weapon system." (yes, that's probably another term you don't like)
I'm more annoyed by the tendency to slap rails, a grip, or just black polymer on anything and call it a "tactical" whatever. Adding a threaded barrel and suppressor height sights to a gun? Sure, use the tactical label. Put rails and an AR buttstock on a lever gun? For the love of all that is holy, no.
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You know.. you are right. BAD analogy, apologies, but yall know what I mean.
And I agree it probably does have something to do with age...and I agree 100% about slappin rails and shit on a levergun and calling it "tactical". Thats a clown show for sure.
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