How do you feel about frug sniffing dogs being used to search your vehicle?

[26 Inf]

Did you also want to know not all lawyers are honest? You probably don't want to know about judges. During contacts police often don't tell the truth for various reasons, it is usually a matter of technique than corruption.

Also the idea that I would report members of the SO to Ken Jenne (Sheriff at the time) is kind of ironically laughable.

There is a difference between tactics during a police contact which are legal and ethical, and signalling a dog to alert to a scent it hasn't detected.

Pretty sure I have a feel for the dark sides of the judicial system, but thanks for the tip.

I'd tell you stories, but I wouldn't want it posted on the internet.

Let me know when either the Broward County Public Defender or District Attorney contact you to find out who your buddies were.

[26 Inf]

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[SteyrAUG]

There is a difference between tactics during a police contact which are legal and ethical, and signalling a dog to alert to a scent it hasn't detected.

Pretty sure I have a feel for the dark sides of the judicial system, but thanks for the tip.

I'd tell you stories, but I wouldn't want it posted on the internet.

Let me know when either the Broward County Public Defender or District Attorney contact you to find out who your buddies were.

Jeeze, if I had to list everyone in Broward Co. who fudged in the margins for good or bad intentions, I might as well hand them the phone book and cross of the names of the people who did NOT do anything wrong.

And if anyone in Broward is going to do anything, they can have my cooperation when they start at the top on move down, ironically enough the last one I knew was Scott Israel and I could have told people he had credibility problems all the way back when he worked for Ft. Lauderdale PD as head of their narcotics "raiders" team.

There has only been one BSO sheriff in my memory who wasn't completely deep in it and that was Lambertti, so of course they got rid of him.

[SteyrAUG]

I assume you have all the SCOTUS case dealing with admissibility of statements/confessions memorized, because I assure you, someone will care, see Brewer v. Williams, for example.

Just so we are on the same page, I'm not saying it's right, not saying it's wrong...only saying it happens and I've seen it a lot. Sometimes it works out ok, sometimes it goes all wrong and sometimes it comes back on you ten years after the fact.

[OH58D]

When I'm able to take a break on Friday and Saturday nights, I've been watching Live PD on A&E. And I have never seen more traffic stops with all kinds of drugs being found. Meth, Cocaine, Crack Rocks, Weed, Stolen Prescriptions for Oxycodone, etc. Drugs, drugs, drugs. And to find these drugs, the reasons are prior arrests, warrants, and people on probation - all probable cause to search the vehicle.

Then comes Officer Dog - AKA "K-9" because "CANINE" is too hard to spell or doesn't fit on the quarter panel of the police SUV. And practically in every stop Officer Dog makes an appearance, he "alerts", after scratching the hell out of your door's clear coat paint job or tears up your leather seats. Officer Dog can't tell you his findings personally, but requires an interpreter to explain his barks, gyrations and agitated movements to you. Every Partner of Officer Dog instantly knows which grunt, tail wag or door scratch means you loose your 4th Amendment Right. I suppose you should be given the chance to question Officer Dog personally about his findings, but he's been given a chew toy and hurried back to his caged enclosure in the police SUV while your vehicle is being ransacked. Besides, how many average citizens speak Officer Dog's language?

Personally, I'd rather watch Officer Dog run down and administer numerous bites in the face to some burglar or fleeing felon who just ditched his stolen ride.

[Arik]

If you are the guy on the side of the road who really DID NOT do what a police officer obviously believes you did, you are going to care very much about the fact that a cop lied to you to confuse you and see if you would implicate yourself.





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If you didn't do it what's there to be confused about?

[ChattanoogaPhil]

The equivalent of search warrants issued by Judge Fido... no thanks.

Speaking of... never been pulled over when my dog was riding shotgun.

[OH58D]

Keep in mind I'm not anti-dog use in LE, it's just ripe for potential abuse when you have to rely on an interpreter to translate what Dog is "alerting" to. Officer Dog's partner may say he's alerting to drugs, when it could be that Quarter Pounder with Cheese sitting on the center console. If you're carrying illegal drugs in your vehicle, you had better be carrying a small container of Cayenne Pepper to sprinkle inside as you're getting pulled over. However, I guess a sneezing Officer Dog could be an "alert" also.

Not all dogs are equal, and their individual sensitivity to smells do vary, even within the same breed. I have a crew of Australian Shepherds working the ranch and we breed 'em.

[tn1911]

The equivalent of search warrants issued by Judge Fido... no thanks.

Speaking of... never been pulled over when my dog was riding shotgun.

Indeed... we live in a world where the kangaroo courts allow dogs to issue search warrants.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I'm a bit concerned about this, there is a lot of video out there showing dogs throwing a false positive on people.
I'm not so sure about it.
Being a guy that doesn't do dope, it doesn't concern me so much that they would find some, I just don't want to get my truck tossed at the whim of someone who's power tripping.

Seeing as how I'm not a frug addict... meh...

Being innocent it the main reason I don't like dog alerts. If a LEO rolls up on me and thinks there are drugs in the car, he either the most incompetent cop ever or has malice on his mind.

The main reason I don't like canine unit searches is that you can't really audit or certify the dog-handler team. You will always have the issue of intentionally falsed positives. That is inherent in the handler-dog system. From a scientific standpoint, you might as well roll some chicken bones and interpret them.