How do you feel about frug sniffing dogs being used to search your vehicle?

[Averageman]

If you didn't do it what's there to be confused about?

A friend was moving to his new residence.
18 guns in cases in the trunk, many were family heirlooms some from the civil war. Many of these guns had no serial number because they were made before the requirements.
He gets pulled over, asked if there are any drugs or guns in the car and replies "I am late, I'm in a hurry may I please go?"
Guess who got jammed up?
They brought the dog, the dog sniffed, they tossed the car and still have many of his heirloom guns. You can't explain a lack of serial numbers to a 25 year old non gun guy.

[Arik]

A friend was moving to his new residence.
18 guns in cases in the trunk, many were family heirlooms some from the civil war. Many of these guns had no serial number because they were made before the requirements.
He gets pulled over, asked if there are any drugs or guns in the car and replies "I am late, I'm in a hurry may I please go?"
Guess who got jammed up?
They brought the dog, the dog sniffed, they tossed the car and still have many of his heirloom guns. You can't explain a lack of serial numbers to a 25 year old non gun guy.

But he wasn't confused about what he had. It wasn't like he sat there thinking maybe I do have drugs? Not sure anymore. I never did drugs, or buy drugs or even see them in real life but now that this officer is asking ....well maybe I do have drugs!

Nothing about what happened there was confusion. He did have gun, and guns were taken. Not saying it was right or wrong simply that he did physically have them and wasn't fooled into thinking they were his

[Sry0fcr]

Generally, it shouldn't be at the officer's whim, unless the officer who has stopped you is a K-9 officer. Absent reasonable suspicion, the officer cannot detain you beyond the reasonable duration of the stop in order for a drug dog to arrive.

I've had deputies pretend to lose my license for about 45 minutes until they could get a K9. Thank you very much Montgomery County Sheriff's Office and Montgomery County Precinct 3 Constable's Office. I actually was looking around for it while 4 units sat around and watched me. I was a dumb kid, didn't know that they were just ****ing with me at the time...

Sorry, but if they are telling you they can signal an alert, it is your responsibility as a citizen to report that fact to the chief, sheriff, etc.

Why would anyone want to associate with corrupt officials or allow the behavior?

Because: Thin Blue Line. Who was the bad cop in the situation that I described above? The guy that had my ID in his pocket the whole time, the guys that taught him that "trick" or the 3 other guys that didn't say anything?

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

A friend was moving to his new residence.
18 guns in cases in the trunk, many were family heirlooms some from the civil war. Many of these guns had no serial number because they were made before the requirements.
He gets pulled over, asked if there are any drugs or guns in the car and replies "I am late, I'm in a hurry may I please go?"
Guess who got jammed up?
They brought the dog, the dog sniffed, they tossed the car and still have many of his heirloom guns. You can't explain a lack of serial numbers to a 25 year old non gun guy.

If I have pants on, I have a gun. I only drive with pants one. Ergo, there is always a gun in my car. Why is having a gun in your car reason for a search? Or did the dog alert on 'drugs'? A canine is a master key to any vehicle.

[Dr. Bullseye]

Maybe we can develop a whole breed of dogs whose sole function is to sniff out illegal aliens, breed millions of them and deploy them on the border.

[26 Inf]

Because: Thin Blue Line. Who was the bad cop in the situation that I described above? The guy that had my ID in his pocket the whole time, the guys that taught him that "trick" or the 3 other guys that didn't say anything?

I guess the first time I told another officer if he tried that shit around me again he was going to be the subject of a criminal report - a little more direct and colorful verbiage was used - word got around where my compass pointed so I didn't much have to deal with that kind of stuff.

The thing is, from childhood I had realized that those who 'go long to get along' suffer in the long term. I told the student officers I taught that theirs a word for officers who keep quiet when something shady is going down - co-defendant.

[Todd.K]

As probable cause? Too likely to be abused.

After probable cause to help find something, at the border or on probation/parole searchable are good uses.

[Sry0fcr]

I guess the first time I told another officer if he tried that shit around me again he was going to be the subject of a criminal report - a little more direct and colorful verbiage was used - word got around where my compass pointed so I didn't much have to deal with that kind of stuff.

The thing is, from childhood I had realized that those who 'go long to get along' suffer in the long term. I told the student officers I taught that theirs a word for officers who keep quiet when something shady is going down - co-defendant.

Don't get me wrong, you seem like you're "one of the good ones". But you've probably been around long enough to know how far and how deep that "ends justify the means" element permeates your profession. That experience has colored all of my interaction with LEO since then. Everyone gets the same guarded treatment that I'd give a rando trying to bum a cigarette or lighter. I don't know if I'm getting you or the guy that's going to drop a roach under my seat after he "determined from his training and experience that there was an odor of marijuana emanating from the vehicle." because I won't roll the window down more than a few inches and told him that his questions aren't relevant and to just write my citation so we can get this stop over with.

[gunnerblue]

Maybe we can develop a whole breed of dogs whose sole function is to sniff out illegal aliens, breed millions of them and deploy them on the border.

We do, albeit not quite that many ��

[SteyrAUG]

If you didn't do it what's there to be confused about?

Really? Well the answer is because most honest people (the ones who didn't do it) tend to believe what the police tell them. And they are confused because their brain is trying to reconcile what they officer said and what they know they actually didn't do.

This is a problem in those rare instances where LEOs are in contact with people who are actually not criminals.

When I used to live in downtown Ft. Lauderdale because I was young and broke, I got pulled over all the time being a white guy in that neighborhood. I was one of the rare .0001% that wasn't there to buy drugs and I have heard some laughable reasons for being pulled over, including a few honest ones that went along the lines of "not a lot of white people in this neighborhood...most are here to buy drugs."

But the funny ones were the guys trying to bluff me with "We just watched you do a buy back at the intersection, the dealer was one of our undercovers so we need you to step out of the vehicle" or something very similar. If I didn't have a job that put me around LEOs most of the week I would have been very confused and probably would have tried to explain that it must have been some other car that looked exactly like mine.