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Thread: Tonight, Alabama Will Execute a Man Who Didn't Commit Murder

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegademiC View Post
    I used to be a staunch capital-punishment guy, but Im becoming less for this reason, and because of cases like this.

    This case is pretty ****ed. So what happed to the guy that actually killed people?
    Bout to get executed as well.....I think tonight.

    eta: not sure now after re reading the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tn1911 View Post
    Our government isn’t sufficiently evolved enough to be trusted with such punishment over us...
    I would up vote you, if it were an option

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    Woods was involved in an incident where people were murdered, for me it is no different than if Woods and his friend went to do an armed robbery and his friend murdered someone.

    As long as the State kills both of them, I got no issues with it.

    However, I do have an issue with taking someones life with a 10-2 jury.

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    I thought it was common knowledge that if you are involved in a crime with other people and someone dies, everyone can go for murder.

    That article is just an incoherent and random mixture of every anti death penalty talking point. Am I really expected to believe the type of execution makes any difference to his guilt or innocence? Not that his counsel was specifically ineffective or generally inexperienced, but that because they hadn't previously defended a death penalty case, I should just assume they were?

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    What crime was he involved in?

    Edit, so evading police is a crime- I initially thought it was a misdemeanor.

    I will say, committing Robbery, its reasonable to think someone may die, and you are committing violence.
    Did this guy think his friend was going to shoot cops? If so, I dont have a problem with it, but thats not how its being portrayed.

    Edit- just saw below- yeah, thats a different story, and they both deserve removal.
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    It looks like he lured them in to get executed by the other thug. The world is not worse off without him.


    Woods, Jefferson County prosecutors told the jury at his 2005 trial, hated law enforcement and had lured the officers into the house so Spencer could kill them. Though he did not fire the fatal shots, Woods had masterminded the plan, making his actions as equally significant as Spencer's, argued assistant district attorney Mara Sirles. "He wanted them to be fish in a barrel," she said during her closing argument.

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    Tonight, Alabama Will Execute a Man Who Didn't Commit Murder

    I’m just saying that a vote of 10-2 for the death penalty and a last minute stay issued by SCOTUS (evidently too late) is a good reason to stop and take another look at this.

    We talk about how emotions rule liberals yet we don’t apply the same logic to ourselves here anymore apparently.
    Last edited by Waylander; 03-07-20 at 14:56.
    "If force can take away liberty, force is necessary to preserve it. It is the hatred of violence alongside the willingness to use violence that preserves liberty. In order for us to live as free men, we have to hate the violence that takes away liberty, yet at the same time, we must embrace the violence that preserves it. That is the paradox our founders appreciated and made work for over 200 years."

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    Bye Now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd.K View Post
    I thought it was common knowledge that if you are involved in a crime with other people and someone dies, everyone can go for murder.
    Not sure exactly this guy's involvement in this case, or how Alabama applies this law, but I do know it varies from place to place how everyone involved gets charged in a murder. In some states, anyone involved can get the death penalty. In other states, the death penalty only applies to accessories if they were directly and intentionally involved in the murder, but lesser degrees of murder would be used if they were only indirectly involved. Example: The getaway driver for a guy who just committed a contract killing would also get the needle. The getaway driver for a bank robbery gone bad that resulted in one of the other robbers killing someone would get charged with murder, but not capital murder.
    Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who do not.-Ben Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd.K View Post
    I thought it was common knowledge that if you are involved in a crime with other people and someone dies, everyone can go for murder.

    That article is just an incoherent and random mixture of every anti death penalty talking point. Am I really expected to believe the type of execution makes any difference to his guilt or innocence? Not that his counsel was specifically ineffective or generally inexperienced, but that because they hadn't previously defended a death penalty case, I should just assume they were?
    But he wasn't involved in the actual crime that killed the police. He evaded from the police into a dwelling that just so happen to have separate, other criminal activity, and that activity was what got the police killed.

    I'm pro death penalty, although I think it's completely broken in actual usage. That said, this was not a good execution at all imho. As a resident of Alabama, I do not agree at all with the killing of this man, and don't like our death penalty being used for cases like this.

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