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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    That was never the point. While somewhat conflicted on this one, it's pretty much if somebody gets killed while robbing a bank, everyone involved in the bank robbery takes a murder rap. So not a good idea to roll with cop killers.



    So open the jails and let everyone out? I understand your basic objection that the system is full of holes, but not sure how we make it better, especially with lawyers being the ones to write laws and directly influence the system.

    To me we need some kind of oversight, defenders need to be accountable if they knowingly and willfully get a guilty person acquitted and punished rather than rewarded and prosecutors need to be accountable if they knowingly and willfully get an innocent person convicted and should be punished rather than rewarded.

    The whole promotion by stats creates an incentive to win regardless of guilt or innocence.
    That's the catch. It is apparent the side running the show is frequently free to lie without real consequences for their actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    So open the jails and let everyone out? I understand your basic objection that the system is full of holes, but not sure how we make it better, especially with lawyers being the ones to write laws and directly influence the system.
    A bit of a straw man... I’m against the death penalty due to the incompetence and corruption that pollutes every level of our criminal justice system, I’m all for keeping people locked up for life. If police or prosecutorial misconduct is proven then it’s a hell of a lot easier to open a cell and let an innocent man go than to open up the grave of an executed innocent man...

    Yes, something has to be done to hold corruption and incompetents accountable and I’m all for jailing prosecutors and cops who get innocents convicted.

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    I haven't heard this much whining since Caryl Chessman

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caryl_Chessman

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    Tonight, Alabama Will Execute a Man Who Didn't Commit Murder

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    Last edited by Waylander; 03-08-20 at 21:50.
    "If force can take away liberty, force is necessary to preserve it. It is the hatred of violence alongside the willingness to use violence that preserves liberty. In order for us to live as free men, we have to hate the violence that takes away liberty, yet at the same time, we must embrace the violence that preserves it. That is the paradox our founders appreciated and made work for over 200 years."

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    From multiple articles I’ve read, it seems the prosecution really had no credible witnesses and relied on jailhouse snitches who got deals.
    "If force can take away liberty, force is necessary to preserve it. It is the hatred of violence alongside the willingness to use violence that preserves liberty. In order for us to live as free men, we have to hate the violence that takes away liberty, yet at the same time, we must embrace the violence that preserves it. That is the paradox our founders appreciated and made work for over 200 years."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bullseye View Post
    I haven't heard this much whining since Caryl Chessman

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caryl_Chessman
    Perhaps start a petition to get Judge Ken Anderson back on the bench?

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    Strange that they don't lead with that, and stay focused on it, as that is the only relevant question.

    It would be interesting to know when, how, and with what evidence the prosecution decided this was planned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    To me we need some kind of oversight, defenders need to be accountable if they knowingly and willfully get a guilty person acquitted and punished rather than rewarded and prosecutors need to be accountable if they knowingly and willfully get an innocent person convicted and should be punished rather than rewarded.
    How would you prove that someone knowingly and willfully got a guilty person acquitted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainRaven View Post
    How would you prove that someone knowingly and willfully got a guilty person acquitted?
    Yeah that is a ridiculous standard, because defense attorneys successfully defend "guilty" people everyday in courtrooms all across this country.

    I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said, "better 100 guilty go free than that one innocent suffer"

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    Quote Originally Posted by tn1911 View Post
    A bit of a straw man... I’m against the death penalty due to the incompetence and corruption that pollutes every level of our criminal justice system, I’m all for keeping people locked up for life. If police or prosecutorial misconduct is proven then it’s a hell of a lot easier to open a cell and let an innocent man go than to open up the grave of an executed innocent man...

    Yes, something has to be done to hold corruption and incompetents accountable and I’m all for jailing prosecutors and cops who get innocents convicted.
    Once you put a man in jail, who is innocent, you destroy his life. Yes you can let him out, but he will still never be the same person again.

    Being on death row for decades doesn't fix things.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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