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    It Was May, 1984...And Something Wonderful Happened...



    Inflation Calculator says the same item today should cost about $1620. Given the SP5 has added a factory short Navy barrel, paddle mag and some other improvements I'd say the going rate of $2,600 isn't a terrible deal.

    By 1984 I had just purchased a 91 and a 93 and simply couldn't swing the price of a 94. But man this is the one I wanted.
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    And an P7M8...

    Breath slowly.......

    I know this is heresy, but I have a MP5 in 22lr when I want to spray ammo and play SAS guy. Maybe 5 years ago I might of said what the heck, but now, with all the other pistol carbine and 5.56 guns coming out in this form factor.... It's just hard to peel off the cash for something that I'd never have a real purpose for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    And an P7M8...

    Breath slowly.......

    I know this is heresy, but I have a MP5 in 22lr when I want to spray ammo and play SAS guy. Maybe 5 years ago I might of said what the heck, but now, with all the other pistol carbine and 5.56 guns coming out in this form factor.... It's just hard to peel off the cash for something that I'd never have a real purpose for.

    How old are you? I thought I was old.
    Mentally I'm still the same kid who saw footage of the SAS hitting the Iranian Embassy, I'm the same kid who grew up reading Soldier of Fortune and the details of that SAS raid and I'm the same kid who read Peter Kokalis reviews of the MP5 and generally lusted after all things Oberndorf. Then they made a movie called Die Hard that was in fact a clever advertisement for the MP5, but that is another story.

    I have all kinds of SMGs and lots and lots of 5.56 carbines. But like a first true love that you never really forget, the MP5 will always have a place in my fond memories in my safe no matter what.
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    It Was May, 1984...And Something Wonderful Happened...

    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post


    Inflation Calculator says the same item today should cost about $1620. Given the SP5 has added a factory short Navy barrel, paddle mag and some other improvements I'd say the going rate of $2,600 isn't a terrible deal.

    By 1984 I had just purchased a 91 and a 93 and simply couldn't swing the price of a 94. But man this is the one I wanted.
    I saw the same ad and ordered it direct from HK. I ordered a P7 as well. Iím pleased that Iíve still got both. Unfortunately I sold an HK93 to pay for supplies when I went back to college in 87 and I sold an FNC in 1989.


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    In 1984, what would it have taken to make this full auto? $200 tax stamp, but were the parts available from HK? I'm guessing not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    In 1984, what would it have taken to make this full auto? $200 tax stamp, but were the parts available from HK? I'm guessing not?
    I think most, maybe all, transferable MP5's started out as HK94's. GCA68 would have limited transferable originals from Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    In 1984, what would it have taken to make this full auto? $200 tax stamp, but were the parts available from HK? I'm guessing not?
    Couldn't have used HK parts anyway. To be legally converted to full auto, something had to be domestic. Either you had to register the receiver and then modify it, or you had to buy some other part such as a sear (which is actually a sear trip lever in most cases) or a trigger box group that was domestically registered and then it was simply a matter of a Form 1 or Form 4 transfer and about as expensive and complicated as doing a SBR today.

    And that is because foreign machine guns were banned all the way back in 1968 as part of the 1968 gun control act, which is why all "transferable" MP5s are actually conversions that began life as HK94s. This is why everyone went crazy for the semi auto Uzis, HK 91, 93 and 94s as well as FN FAL and FNCs, that meant for the first time you could make domestic conversions.

    Sadly most semi auto AK pattern rifles didn't show up until after the ban on registering domestic machine guns which is why "transferable" AK conversions cost almost twice as much as a "transferable" factory M-16. For much of the early 80s we only had Valmets which is why if you look closely at a lot of early 80s war movies, Valmets are standing in for AK rifles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbhike View Post
    I think most, maybe all, transferable MP5's started out as HK94's. GCA68 would have limited transferable originals from Germany.

    There were no pre68 examples so all factory MP5s were "pre 86 dealer samples" until the Hughes / Rodino ban and after that they were post 86 dealer samples which require a demo letter and must sell, surrender or destroy if you retire your license. If you are a FFL/SOT you don't need a "permission letter" to buy pre 86 samples and you can retain them if you retire your license, however they remain restricted and can only be transferred to a current FFL / SOT. They cannot be passed on via Form 5 to a lawful heir and cannot be transferred to anyone who is not a FFL / SOT.
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    I bought an HK94A3 NIB in 1987 and it was around 900 dollars. I also bought a P8M13 and it was about the same price...pretty high at the time. I had just been promoted to 1LT and the 94 was a gift to myself..

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