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Thread: Dueling 12.5's - build planning, ersatz-GL/SSC vs GAU-5 ASDW

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    https://www.operationparts.com/kac-k...flip-up-sight/

    FYI URX II in stock at Operation Parts

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    Dusting off and updating now that Midwest has discontinued the G3ML10.5 rail and complete ASDW uppers...
    Component Common Vendor/Cost ASDW Specific Vendor/Cost GL/SSC Specific Vendor/Cost
    Lower Receiver Aero M4 clone my usual FFL
    Backend Kit (buffer, tube, spring) std-length pistol tube
    LPK Damage Industries
    Ambi Safety Schmid Arms Unlimited 15
    Ambi mag catch Norgon clone Arms Unlimited 25
    Grip (build specific) FAB AGF-43 folder, black Lanbo's 39.33 FAB AG43, FDE
    Upper receiver Aero AR15 assembled Lanbo's 74.26
    Barrel, Gas Block, Gas Tube, BCG Rosco Bloodline 12.5" Sauce Kit Lanbo's 249.30
    Takedown Kit (ASDW only) Cry Havoc QRB 2-pin Brownells 425 OR
    OpticsPlanet 409.99
    (whoever has better coupons at Go Time)
    Handguard (build specific) Midwest 10.5", either:
    G4M10.5 OR
    CRM10.5
    Lanbo's 139.36 (G4)
    OpticsPlanet 122.37 (CR)
    Charging Handle Basic milspec
    Muzzle Device Spares-bin A2
    Iron Sights (build specific) Magpul MBUS PRO Lanbo's 129.19/set ??? (recheck refs)
    Optic NA ?Elcan SU-230 or SpecterDR 1-4x
    Grenade leaf-sight (GL/SSC only) NA ???
    37mm faux-M203 (GL/SSC only) NA ???
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    Game On! It's not "pure" in light of the G3 being toast, but I'm using a Combat Rail Lightweight and planning MBUS 3 sights calling it "ASDW-PIP" for "Product Improvement Program." I'm gonna have the anti-rotate tabs chopped, since I figure the Air Force gunsmithing shop wouldn't particularly care about commercial warranties. Dvor got the QRB for $370, so that was like a sign from above that it was Go Time.



    Left to do: the folding grip, lower receiver (I need to call my FFL and see if they still have Aero faux-M4's), barrel/gas block and BCG (all in the Rosco Sauce Pack).
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    Should be cool once itís together. And even if the local FFL doesnít have the lower you want, prices are down everywhere and itís Sale Season..,

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    One other PIP item: While current ASDW has its parts "float" separately in the bag, the PIP version will use a QD riser and double-sided Picatinny claw adapter to make the two sections a single piece in the bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    One other PIP item: While current ASDW has its parts "float" separately in the bag, the PIP version will use a QD riser and double-sided Picatinny claw adapter to make the two sections a single piece in the bag.
    Is that what the lower rail section you added is for?
    "We must all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disciple View Post
    Is that what the lower rail section you added is for?
    Plan is to use the rear top-rail stub for "stowed" connection. The lower rail is in case either the connector blocks the sights and I need to make it fully removable, or the Cry Havoc crud-cover blocks the stub and I need a different mount point. As of about five minutes ago, I'm now thinking move the connector-stowage up front so it can pull double duty as a handstop... maybe depending on space and clearances rack in a mag-carrier along the top or bottom.

    Side not here, a lot of this depends on the height of the folded MBUS 3's--if they're low enough to "close couple" and the riser-coupler combo low enough to not block sight picture, the coupler just stays mounted on the upper receiver. If it needs enough extra clearance that I need to add a second riser, then the "remove and remount" scenario comes into play. Funny: I never thought I'd have anything good to say about Leapers UTG, but I think between this and the modular backends on my "Quick-Change Charger" I may have found a niche where they actually ARE good for something!

    Another note: The concept on ASDW-PIP calls for a ten-round flush-fit mag (eg, 10-rd PMAG) in the well and ready to go at all times except when legally prohibited, in addition to the USAF standard 4x30 in two (not USAF spec) double-mag pouches. Yes, this makes PIP a bit heavier than its root design, but I'm still trying to keep it lean, clean and agile rather than "Gearqueer Visit from the Gadgets Fairy."
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    Modular backends?

    Would a 15-round magazine be about the same height as the folded grip?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disciple View Post
    Modular backends?

    Would a 15-round magazine be about the same height as the folded grip?
    "QC" was meant to exploit the same pistol-to-rifle-and-back capacity of a T/C Contender or AR pistol, using the rear brace-mount rail of the Charger Takedown and interchangeable barrels. (Leapers 3-slot QD riser, Midwest sidefold storage tube with SBA3 or SOPMOD slid on--right now the SBA3 is in my storage unit and I keep a railcover on the back unless the 16" barrel is on. Concept was "if I were building a briefcase gun for 007 like From Russia With Love"...)

    A 15 would stick out a good bit more I think, the FAB folder really doesn't project very far--maybe 1/4 to 1/3 inch from the bottom of the lower. Would be worth experimenting if WA hadn't just gone Klinton Klip Bullshit, though.
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    Further PIP revision: Cannibalized the Vltor A5 pistol backend and PWS ratchet endplate/castle nut off the "Mk 18 Mod Briefcase" mockup, along with its ODG folding grip in place of USAF black. (Grip and PWS plate/nut aren't PIP, it's a combination of "use parts already on-hand" and ODG kind of becoming a "signature" on my non-clone builds since I'm all about bottom-feeding with sales, discounts and clearance. (C. tells me I out-powershop many women she knows... I'm still not sure how to take that.)
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