Is the terminal ballistics really going to be a game changer at that length vs 9mm?
The noise is incredible, in a bad way. Linear comps might help, but inside a house, it wont matter.
300blk or 9mm at that length in my opinion, and train.
If something happens, you wont die because you picked the wrong gun or caliber.
Get the best gun for the job, train, buy decent ammo.
Why do you need an 8” barrel? As a side note, I find when you get really short, controlling recoil is more difficult. Not saying you cant run a short gun well, but I prefer 11” min for rifles.
Last edited by MegademiC; 04-08-20 at 06:45.
Yeah, for me 11.5 is the sweet spot for a shorty AR in 5.56.
I agree, less than that is .300 BO land.
Specifically for the Bren 2 you mentioned, if you look at what has been fielded, the French GIGN selected the Bren 2 with a 9" barrel, but picked the 7.62x39 caliber. Which I think is a much better choice if you are going that short.
My memory may be faulty, but I think they switched to the Bren 2 from the G36C 5.56 which also has very short barrel around 9" or so.
My 8.5" (5.56) is on top in the pic. Though noticeably louder than a 16" carbine, I don't find it that much louder. There's very little difference using an A2 flash hider or linear comp. I've fired it several times outdoors and inside a poultry-house. I like the maneuverability of it and have little concern for hearing issues if it's needed to pop someone. 99% chance I'd never use it indoors for defensive purposes.
Depending on your ammo, you could run out of the expansion envolope relatively quickly. And some rounds may not stabilize out of such a short barrel. There’s a reason why people who fight in close quarters don’t use such short barrels for 5.56.
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For home defense, were another 3" of length is a non-factor, 10.5-11.5" is the answer. Only reason to go shorter than that is specialized concealment requirements (bag, backpack, etc) IMO.
As I have no interest in a 300BLK build, I use my Scorpion-K Pistol build 5" 9MM or my SCAR 16 SBR 10.5", but only if it has to go into a bag.
For HD 11.5 Suppressed 5.56 SBR.
There’s a good thread on P-F about the same exact topic, and there was some evidence that specific grains of gold dots will still be inside of the threshold with normal indoor ranges from an 8” barrel. That being said, I’m of the belief that a MK18 is the shortest worth going in a 5.56 and it’s compact enough that unless there is a definite need, it’s a good balance.
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This is precisely what 300 BO was designed for.
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