When God Abandons a Nation - WARNING CHRISTIAN MESSAGE BELOW!

[TexHill]

I am blessed to be able to continue to work during this crisis because my employer is considered an essential business, and I am further blessed in that I can listen to pretty much whatever I want to while I'm working.

Today, I happened to listen to the message below and it really opened my eyes to the immoral state that our country is in and our lack of a relationship with God. Facts that are made even more evident by events like we are experiencing now.

[Honu]

listen to him all the time
one of the greatest biblical apologist of our time

[t1tan]

fairy tales don’t effect real life

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Volcanoes and airplanes flying into buildings as God's wrath- and I'm out.

[SteyrAUG]

So just curious, what did the European jews do wrong in the 1930s and 1940s where apparently god abandoned them wholesale. Men, women, children...good people, bad people, whatever...babies too.

Cause they seemed like a pretty devout group to me. Also this really doesn't help right now. I know I'm not a regular church going guy, but I always thought religion was something meant to bring people together...to help others if they can and things like that. I'm always disappointed in the lower forms of life who bring just a variation of "god hates fags" to explain any recent hardship.

This is a bigger load of horseshit than the pope suggesting it's a result of global warming and nature defending itself from the "bad humans" and all that crap.

[elephant]

If you want to know God as a God who is swift to deliver harsh punishment and judgment on the world and a God who is like a strict step father, then I would turn to John Macarthur. However if you want to know God as a loving father who is slow to anger, full of grace and who loves his children, I would turn to other pastors like Tony Evans. Why "pastors" like Joel Osteen are so popular even though he is completely off base theologically speaking is because he delivers a message of hope that lifts peoples spirit and a feeling that God is approachable.

Nothing against John Macarthur, he has some really great sermons, but I have noticed that he is slightly off center on some topics, mostly because he claims every evangelist other than him is worldly and moved either politicly or motivated by money and while he himself is a calvinist and cessationist apologetic, his doctrine is confusing. MacArthur teaches that if you have certain sins in your life, then you will not go to Heaven, even if you are a believer in Jesus. He also makes many non biblical statements about the relationship between God and man and Jesus and man. He makes statements like "true believers cannot commit sin because they were never believers", and believes in self righteousness and that in order to be saved there are 7 things required for salvation (all are unbiblical),and none of which are mentioned in Peters or Paul's Gospel .


I don't know, he has some powerful messages but you just have to be careful and let the Spirit of the Lord guide you through it.

But, going back to the topic, Im assuming you are referring to the USA as the "nation" in your subject. God has also blessed this nation beyond any other nation in the world. And yet while we have had our moments of sorrow and misery, God has always been faithful and full of grace during those times. He allowed our nation to put a man on the moon during one of our darkest times. We initiated the Marshal Plan when we were almost flat broke. Louisiana Purchase when we were just about flat broke. 9/11 motivated the US to take a bigger role Globally creating more allies and partner nations. Winning a war against Great Britain with militias and farmers. And many other notable hallmarks. God is very much still with us! He is with us during our moments of triumph and he is still with us during our moments of peril.

[elephant]

So just curious, what did the European jews do wrong in the 1930s and 1940s where apparently god abandoned them wholesale. Men, women, children...good people, bad people, whatever...babies too.

Cause they seemed like a pretty devout group to me. Also this really doesn't help right now. I know I'm not a regular church going guy, but I always thought religion was something meant to bring people together...to help others if they can and things like that. I'm always disappointed in the lower forms of life who bring just a variation of "god hates fags" to explain any recent hardship.

This is a bigger load of horseshit than the pope suggesting it's a result of global warming and nature defending itself from the "bad humans" and all that crap.

The holocaust was horrible, but in the end, the Jews returned to there promised land. The old testament concerning the Jews is full of stories of hardships before God acted. They were slaves in the land of Egypt for 450 years while God was silent before he got Moses to lead them out of Egypt. Yes they wondered around the wilderness for 40 years but God was with them the whole time, providing for there needs and gave them the Mosaic Law to live by. Yes when they rebelled against God, God held back his blessings which caused them to return to God and worship Him. They lost their land to Babylon/Assyrians but later got it back after years of captivity and they later lost it to the Romans. They got if back in 1947 and the US has supported them since.

Since the fall of man, Adam and Eve, God has pointed towards Jesus! "Abraham being tested by sacrificing his only son", "Israelites wiping the blood of the lamb on there doors (Passover offering) during the 10th plague -the killing of all first born". Gods people longed for the day of Jesus the Messiah but they did not except him. You want eternal life, go to Jesus. You want a relationship with God, go to Jesus. Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life, No one goes to the father without going through Jesus.

Having said all that, Jesus never promised us an easy life or a life without worry or suffering. He did promise to be there with us during those times. But Jesus really never spoke much of "this life", instead he talked mostly about his "Kingdom" and how to inherit eternal life. That is what he is mostly concerned with. That and our relationship with His father, GOD.

[Honu]

He makes statements like "true believers cannot commit sin because they were never believers", and believes in self righteousness and that in order to be saved there are 7 things required for salvation (all are unbiblical),and none of which are mentioned in Peters or Paul's Gospel .

joel osteen is a false prophet and charlatan big time his followers are deceived big time


as to your statement please show me a link to where he says this ? am curious

was it this ? where he lays out 7 things

Seven conditions that do not prove or disprove genuine saving faith.



https://www.gty.org/library/question...f-saving-faith


Here is a list of seven conditions that do not prove or disprove the genuineness of saving faith. One can be a Christian and possess these things or one may not be a Christian at all and still possess them. While they don't prove or disprove one's faith, they're important to know and understand so you will not be deceived.

Churches today are filled with people who hold to a faith that does not save. James referred to this as a "dead faith"-meaning a mere empty profession (James 2:17, 20, 26). Paul wrote to the people in the church at Corinth to test or examine themselves to see if they were truly in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). As important as it was in Paul's day, how much more important it is for people in our churches today to put their faith to the test and to make sure they have not been deceived.

[elephant]

joel osteen is a false prophet and charlatan big time his followers are deceived big time

you are 100% correct! I do think Joel has some understanding of the word of God, but he doesn't understand the full context. Either way, his teachings are biblical, but not in a biblical context way. What I mean by that is that he will show you bible versus that add meaning to what he is saying but the bible versus mean something totally different. Similar to Robert Tilton who used bible versus out of context to get his followers to send him money in exchange for God to answer their prayers. Joel Osteen's followers are either desperate for answered prayers or more interested in Hallmark gospel (gospel that sounds good ) like the faith you mentioned below.

as to your statement please show me a link to where he says this ? am curious

was it this ? where he lays out 7 things

Seven conditions that do not prove or disprove genuine saving faith.



https://www.gty.org/library/question...f-saving-faith


Here is a list of seven conditions that do not prove or disprove the genuineness of saving faith. One can be a Christian and possess these things or one may not be a Christian at all and still possess them. While they don't prove or disprove one's faith, they're important to know and understand so you will not be deceived.

Churches today are filled with people who hold to a faith that does not save. James referred to this as a "dead faith"-meaning a mere empty profession (James 2:17, 20, 26). Paul wrote to the people in the church at Corinth to test or examine themselves to see if they were truly in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). As important as it was in Paul's day, how much more important it is for people in our churches today to put their faith to the test and to make sure they have not been deceived.

You can do a quick google search and find his beliefs on salvation and the requirements other than faith alone. The link you provided is not what I was referring to. Im not saying John is a false prophet or even a bad pastor, im simply saying that there are a few areas of his doctrine that are slightly off center, not completely off base- and there is a big difference.

Salvation is something to hard to understand for a lot of people, especially because its free and offered to everyone and given to those who simply believe that Jesus death was sufficient payment for our sins before God the father. God excepted his sons death as payment for our sins instead of us having to die for them. We live in a world where we get promotions, bonuses, recognition and raises for works and a lot of people simply cannot believe that eternal life is free without some other kind of requirements like full repentance, or turning completely away from sin, denial of self, full submission to Christ etc. ( if that was the case, then Jesus's death would not be sufficient alone) Those are some of the things John Macarthur believes and has suggested as a requirement for salvation. Now, once we have excepted Jesus, we are a new creation and we should want to be Christlike. But understand that we simply cannot do it ourselves and that's why Jesus in so important- because He is the way, not us!

[BoringGuy45]

We live in a fallen world. God does not promise us success and prosperity for following him. The rewards for obedience will be given in the age to come. As for now, even Solomon recognized that the rain fell on both the righteous and the wicked. As SteyrAUG said, what were the Jews doing in the 30s and 40s that God punished them with genocide? The idea that times of turmoil are caused by an angry, but silent God are of ancient days. God is not like a psycho woman; that is, he doesn't inflict punishment, and when people cry out and ask why, he says "If you don't know, then I'm not going to tell you." If you look at the Bible, in every punishment God doled out, he told the kings and/or prophets exactly why he was doing it.

We don't know why things happen. I don't even go so far as to say that everything is part of "God's plan". To me, that's a false comfort. The reason for pain is that this is a fallen, sinful world.