When God Abandons a Nation - WARNING CHRISTIAN MESSAGE BELOW!

[SteyrAUG]

The holocaust was horrible, but in the end, the Jews returned to there promised land.

Six million didn't. And if that was gods plan for getting jews a homeland, I'm sure many would have preferred to save their children even if it meant they had to live in Jersey.

[SteyrAUG]

“Sometimes God allows what He hates in order to accomplish what He loves." As tragic and evil as the Holocaust was, how else was God going to unite and motivate the Jews to reclaim the Promised Land?

Memo, fax, voicemail, telegram, email, executive order.

People keep saying god needs to make evil happen in order to accomplish his goals. Isn't that basically the same excuse the nazis used? Needed a homeland. Had to get rid of the pesky people currently in the designated homeland, even if that means killing innocent women and children. The later generations will thank us even though that didn't exactly prove to be true.

[Honu]

you are 100% correct! I do think Joel has some understanding of the word of God, but he doesn't understand the full context. Either way, his teachings are biblical, but not in a biblical context way. What I mean by that is that he will show you bible versus that add meaning to what he is saying but the bible versus mean something totally different. Similar to Robert Tilton who used bible versus out of context to get his followers to send him money in exchange for God to answer their prayers. Joel Osteen's followers are either desperate for answered prayers or more interested in Hallmark gospel (gospel that sounds good ) like the faith you mentioned below.




You can do a quick google search and find his beliefs on salvation and the requirements other than faith alone. The link you provided is not what I was referring to. Im not saying John is a false prophet or even a bad pastor, im simply saying that there are a few areas of his doctrine that are slightly off center, not completely off base- and there is a big difference.

Salvation is something to hard to understand for a lot of people, especially because its free and offered to everyone and given to those who simply believe that Jesus death was sufficient payment for our sins before God the father. God excepted his sons death as payment for our sins instead of us having to die for them. We live in a world where we get promotions, bonuses, recognition and raises for works and a lot of people simply cannot believe that eternal life is free without some other kind of requirements like full repentance, or turning completely away from sin, denial of self, full submission to Christ etc. ( if that was the case, then Jesus's death would not be sufficient alone) Those are some of the things John Macarthur believes and has suggested as a requirement for salvation. Now, once we have excepted Jesus, we are a new creation and we should want to be Christlike. But understand that we simply cannot do it ourselves and that's why Jesus in so important- because He is the way, not us!

I think the later what you said about Joel followers they want the its OK I feel good I go to church on sundays I am saved feeling and they can go sin all week ask for forgiveness and repeat

Ray Comfort I think it was says the false preachers who say God has a great plan for you, life is great can you imagine telling that to all the people in the twin towers the morning of 9/11 !
the Joel followers want this money is good God has a plan for you to be successful etc...

on John M I have looked and I listen to him along with others never heard or found him say anything non biblical about being saved so truly cant find it ?
he is purely biblical and knows it very well and is known for this so wonder if its still something else ?

[Honu]

Memo, fax, voicemail, telegram, email, executive order.

People keep saying god needs to make evil happen in order to accomplish his goals. Isn't that basically the same excuse the nazis used? Needed a homeland. Had to get rid of the pesky people currently in the designated homeland, even if that means killing innocent women and children. The later generations will thank us even though that didn't exactly prove to be true.

great vid for ya better than I can say it

[elephant]

Six million didn't. And if that was gods plan for getting jews a homeland, I'm sure many would have preferred to save their children even if it meant they had to live in Jersey.

Well, out of all the Israelites who were brought out of the land of Egypt, none of those people entered the promise land, not even Moses! God let that generation die in the wilderness.


One thing people have to do is to stop thinking because the world is a horrible mess that its God's fault or His doing. God is sovereign and yet we have free will. So many people this day and age think God is not real or God is angry because the shape the world is in. The world is a fallen world full of sin.


Just to give you a rough history lesson on the Jews:

God called a man named Abram, changed his name to Abraham and told him to leave everything behind and go to the land God showed him and he would make him the father of a great nation and his descendants would be as numerous as the stars (that is a reference to Jesus). He was obedient. God promised Abraham land for his people. Abraham had a son (Isaac) who had a son (Jacob) who later changed his name to Israel which literally translates to "Wrestles with God". Jacob (Israel) had 12 sons named for the 12 tribes. One of the 12 sons was sold into slavery by his older brothers and was in jail in Egypt. God was with him and gave him wisdom that eventually the Egyptians gave him a position in the Kingdom- 2nd highest in command. After many years the Israelites suffered famine and went to Egypt for food and found their brother who helped them. Over the years the Israelites left there land and lived in Egypt where the grew in numbers until Pharaoh was concerned and so he made them all slaves. (yes they left there land God gave them in favor for Egypt).

450 years went by and the Israelites were slaves in Egypt.

During that 450 years one of the Israelites had a son and his mother placed him in a basket and put into the Nile because Pharaoh wanted to kill all babies out of fear than they were growing as a community too fast. Pharaoh's daughter was bathing and found the baby and kept him as her own. She named him Moses which means to draw from water. Moses lived in Egypt as a royal family member until he stuck up for one of the slaves and killed an Egyptian and then the Israelites chastised him for it. Years later while attending his father in laws sheep, God called him from a burning bush to save His people and lead them out of Egypt. Moses appeared before Pharaoh and God hardened his heart and brought 10 plagues to Egypt- the last one killing all first born (another reference to Jesus).

They left Egypt and God performed many miracles along the way and on the other side of the Red Sea, the Israelites built a golden calf and started worshiping it. God was furious. He brought them into the land of Canaan and told them to take it but they were scared so God made them wonder around the wilderness for 40 years, one year for each day they had spies going around the land.

They entered the promised land at Jericho and settled in there new land and God raised up judges, temporary military leaders like Gideon, Deborah, Samson to defeat the like of Philistines, Amorites, Hittites, Moabites etc. Eventually the Israelites rejected God and His prophets and wanted a man to be there leader. They got Saul, then David and finally Solomon. Things were good at first but them quickly fell apart. The kingdom was divided and eventually both northern and southern kingdoms were taken by Assyria and Babylon. During that time God used men like Daniel. God allowed the Israelites to return home where they rebuilt and God sent prophets after prophets to warn them to turn back to God. They rejected these men as well as God. And finally, God was silent for another 450 years until the birth of Christ. Jesus came here to give live but his people rejected him. After some time.

The Jews are no stranger to suffering. They literally have wrestled with God from the very beginning. God chose them as the nation that would bring forth the Messiah (Jesus) and for many years tried to cultivate them into a powerful nation that would set the example but they turned away from him.

Moral of the story is that, when you turn away from God, He is silent but not distant. He is still approachable and will welcome you back with open arms (prodigal Son). He will let you go about your life your way living however you want. You can chose to sin, but you cannot chose the consequence. God will allow you to suffer weather it be from famine, slavery, war or just about anything else if you turn away from him. Nazi Germany, Egypt, Philistines, Moabites, Amorites, Amalekites, Canaanites and Hittites are all the same and have been hell bent of wiping the Jews off the map, but God has always been faithful to his people.

Sure, 6 million Jews died during the holocaust, yeah, but God has promises to keep with his people. And he kept them! The Jews returned to there promised land and God has gave them power and strength.

[pinzgauer]

Yet these foolish old men stand behind pulpits and glower down and scream that the end is near and that god has abandoned us because of the sin they see everywhere when what they really mean is, the world has moved on and left them behind.

They scream about how we need to fear again, how we need to retreat from the progress we've made and collapse back into superstition, and that our accomplishments aren't the prizes we think, just because they make us less reliant on old foolish stories.

You must of gone to a different kind of church than most of us.

[SteyrAUG]

One thing people have to do is to stop thinking because the world is a horrible mess that its God's fault or His doing. God is sovereign and yet we have free will. So many people this day and age think God is not real or God is angry because the shape the world is in. The world is a fallen world full of sin.

Since this is likely going to be the only area of agreement between us, I'm gonna leave it there. I also don't think we need a god or a devil for the world to be a mess, I think we are quite capable of incredible damage all by ourselves and it isn't because anyone ate an apple. All the good in the world is the result of our better intentions and all the bad in the world is also the result of our worst intentions.

Or at least that is what I believe and find most likely. I'm also going to be mindful that the person who provided this forum believes differently and that I'm a guest in his online house, so I'm not going to get any deeper into this discussion.

[arptsprt]

Since this is likely going to be the only area of agreement between us, I'm gonna leave it there. I also don't think we need a god or a devil for the world to be a mess, I think we are quite capable of incredible damage all by ourselves and it isn't because anyone ate an apple. All the good in the world is the result of our better intentions and all the bad in the world is also the result of our worst intentions.

Or at least that is what I believe and find most likely. I'm also going to be mindful that the person who provided this forum believes differently and that I'm a guest in his online house, so I'm not going to get any deeper into this discussion.

This, my friend, is exactly what her hotness Gal Gadot found out in the movie, Wonder Woman.


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[OH58D]

My first thought this Easter Morning: God Bless America.

My second thought amid all this COVID-19 mess: We are supposed to Praise God in All Things - probably the hardest thing to do when people face hard times and disasters.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Does God have Free Will?