5G Discussion

[maximus83]

The biggest thing about 5G that scares me is that most countries and companies are happy with having Huawei build their networks and equipment.


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Exactly right. We tried to convince the Brits to ban Huawei--and failed even with Johnson at the helm. They are 'winning' (to use T's fave term) just about everywhere except the U.S. The reason is economics. China offers a deal you can't refuse on pricing, and threatens economic retaliation on a broader scale if you boycott Huawei.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/t...huawei-5G.html

[HeruMew]

We don't fully know the extent to which life long exposure to various frequencies of EM hurts us. Cell phones have "only" been around since 1983. We know that more energetic EM waves can hurt us in a very short period of time, right? Gamma, X-Rays and UV. How can we be sure that prolonged exposure to less energetic waved in the EM spectrum won't? I understand the amplitude is pretty low but over the course of 70 years is there really no effect at all? I also understand that microwaves don't effect tissue and DNA like Gamma for instance, but again, over the course of an average human lifetime it may have an effect. All I am saying is that we just don't have the information yet.

I would think that if, within 70 years, if the majority of folks are not taken out by Obesity, Respiratory Illness, Heart Disease, or Accidental Deaths, it's a life well lived.

(Alex, everything after this is more pointed to everyone in our discussion. You specifically mentioned you know this. So, know I am not targeting you directly with the information below.)

We are exposed to multiple wavelengths everyday, all the time.

Your router puts out 2.4Ghz, which, ironically, is the same 2.4ghz your microwave runs on. Of course no one would bypass the safeties and blast their arm with Microwave level power. But, we are also talking about 700 watts + of power generation.

Most modern routers also function in 5Ghz AND 2.4Ghz. What most people are ignoring is the 5ghz is what this system will function on as well (not to be confused with 5G as that is "Fifth Generation").

5ghz wavelengths actually have a harder time punching through walls, so we would actually be exposed to LESS wavelength in our homes than our current Fourth Generation and Third Generation wavelength chocies.

TV/Radio towers were previously so powerful that you can literally kill yourself if you get too close to the "power point".

These 5ghz towers, at their max power (as they are built) would provide a warmth feeling if close to the power point. You wouldn't and shouldn't stay close to it, as yeah, it's still cooking you with microwaves, but it would take hours of exposure to even notice it beyond the heat sensations.

There is no kernel, people said this about cell phones, when they were briefcases and bricks, would cause brain cancer; people said all the birds were dying from 3g, 4g was going to emulsify brains, 5g conspiracy is the epitome of boomer fear.

If I am wrong, so be it, but this is another fear mongering ploy that has been used every generational improvement with technology and the "unknown". Only this stuff isn't unknown, we have been teaching Wavelength sciences to children between the ages of 13-16 (9th Grade science usually) for decades.

As has been mentioned, the biggest risk is "Privacy and Security" from outsourcing the build of this technology to potential foreign enemies, and even that is not entirely plausible. If you really worry about 5G and tracking you, invading your privacy, etc. I hope you don't own a cellphone, a facebook account, a bank account, or file taxes. Since those all do the same things to varying degrees.

[WillBrink]

I would think that if, within 70 years, if the majority of folks are not taken out by Obesity, Respiratory Illness, Heart Disease, or Accidental Deaths, it's a life well lived.

(Alex, everything after this is more pointed to everyone in our discussion. You specifically mentioned you know this. So, know I am not targeting you directly with the information below.)

We are exposed to multiple wavelengths everyday, all the time.

Your router puts out 2.4Ghz, which, ironically, is the same 2.4ghz your microwave runs on. Of course no one would bypass the safeties and blast their arm with Microwave level power. But, we are also talking about 700 watts + of power generation.

Well, there's perhaps some legit concerns over that too. The dose makes the poison of course, but there's still growing concern that may justify more research than currently exists to be confident about current safety recs. Food for thought at least. This is a massive paper, and I have not had time to read the sources and such, but:

Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health
Environmental Research
Volume 164, July 2018, Pages 405-416

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...18300355#bib45

[teufelhund1918]

From reading in the news, I don't think it is necessarily the technology that is bad, but all the back door BS the Chinese are trying to put into it.... surprise surprise.

[turnburglar]

My non-scientific observations on '5G'

- There have been 5G conspiracies longer than ANYONE on the planet has used 5G. Looking back they had these idiots crying back in 2016.

- None of these non-binary, pan sexual, dick-less, humanoids existed before 4G was a thing. Coinencedensce?

[jesuvuah]

My biggest concern is what will they do with it. From my research, we individuals really have no need for 5g. On the other hand, AI and big brother do need it.

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[HeruMew]

My non-scientific observations on '5G'

- There have been 5G conspiracies longer than ANYONE on the planet has used 5G. Looking back they had these idiots crying back in 2016.

- None of these non-binary, pan sexual, dick-less, humanoids existed before 4G was a thing. Coinencedensce?

Yes, and No.

The reality is, "Non-binary" has been around for ever, "PanSexual" was a term that gained a lot of popularity during the late 90s, early 2000s, I know this as every wannabe "unique" person was "pan or bi" while I was in grade school through highschool.

So, yes, it existed long before Fourth Generation Internet. However, Internet, itself, has played a big role in the spread of mindsets. Arguably, quite a bit in terms of "Social Justice Warrior-ing" and promoting such choices.

I will keep my personal opine on the context out of it, beyond my context clues, but it's as much coincidence as it is carried by the advent of the "Age of Social Media".

Rest assured though, your jest is not lost on me either.

Well, there's perhaps some legit concerns over that too. The dose makes the poison of course, but there's still growing concern that may justify more research than currently exists to be confident about current safety recs. Food for thought at least. This is a massive paper, and I have not had time to read the sources and such, but:

Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health
Environmental Research
Volume 164, July 2018, Pages 405-416

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...18300355#bib45

I will take a read when I have more of an opportunity. You are absolutely correct, and I can agree there, Dosing certainly does matter.

My main point of context is, without enough public outcry and justification of such in the broad science community, I am hesitant to believe that decades of research of wavelengths is off base with the invention of Wifi or Routers.

Nonetheless, all studies have some validity, and I will certainly spend time reviewing the "anti-thesis" of my opine as well.

[HeruMew]

My biggest concern is what will they do with it. From my research, we individuals really have no need for 5g. On the other hand, AI and big brother do need it.

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This is where I vehemently disagree.

If you claim that 5G is not needed, it's merely that you may not have found a valid application of such within your personal day to day life.

With 5G, we could, reasonably, do away with Cable companies providing internet. When we can get wireless speeds over 500mbps, that is huge. Over half our nation still runs on DSL lines offering 5-60mbps. It's a constant expenditure on repairing lines, providing equal services, and receiving good value for your dollar.

Also, if you haven't experienced a 4k Video yet, it takes a ton of bandwidth to stream those higher quality products and this will only continue to grow as 8k and beyond are maximized.

Video Games are increasing their bandwidth needs year after year. Email attachments continue to get larger and larger. Data transfer files between banks, corporations, and, yes, government entities continue to grow in size regularly.

There are plenty of "trickle down" benefits that come from having the opportunity to download huge files in a matter of seconds. Like mass bank transfer files. This could, literally, allow you to receive or send funds, on a mass scale, much more efficiently.

Every day our need "increases". Just wait until we have quantum computers, if we ever see them in our lifetimes, the amount of data that a quantum computer can create is near endless.

We didn't "need" Gas Powered motorized vehicles when the Model A was marketed, but it permitted the Need to be crafted to the industry. And today, we would decry over waiting for our goods to arrive at Model A speeds.

[yoni]

I don't know about the any scientific evidence that 5G, is a health risk. Not sure if I care a lot.

5G is a security risk since the Chicoms are pushing it through Huawei.

I wish every non Chinese national on the face of the earth would seize the mantra, Chicoms equal death.

[Honu]

it might cook out early cancer cells so we will see a decrease in cancer !
why not just take the no idea rumor the other way and it sounds much better

the ionizing thing is what you need to look into and your microwave puts out insane amount more so in theory is much more dangerous and they have been around what 50 years now in homes ?

again from what we know its like anything in small doses our bodies can handle it cause that tiny amount cant do much think of someone lobbing a golf ball at you one you can catch heck ten you go OK stop it a truck load would hurt but our cell phones put out what ? . something watts from papers basically not enough to do anything to you

the studies on small animals as they have shown would be the equiv of a microwave oven for you and I again from a few articles that explained the dose to body weight thing

but again look at people eating crap food and that is way worse than a cell phone and parents start their kids out on this all the time ?

I tend to use speaker phone so I do not put it to my brain though plus my tinfoil hat blocks the reception ahhahahahahahaha


agree we really do not know REAL world testing only lab testing and that is so skewed to be like 10,000 the doses we really get it seems from reading

I have no fear of 5g at this point enough testing has been done to disprove it by some and they cant find anything so they create rumors is my theory so far and yeah not enough testing to prove it does not because it sounds like its something that is not really there

the old go out to find anything on the internet and you will seems to be true about 5g I cant wait