Covid 19 Sci/med discussions only

[WillBrink]

Out of curiosity, when was it isolated?

Quite a while ago. I'd have to research that one for exact dates but I recall seeing an electron microscope pic of it early on. I'm not an expert on that topic but I believe isolating a virus is a fairly straight forward thing. Some intel:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...l-culture.html

[jsbhike]

Quite a while ago. I'd have to research that one for exact dates but I recall seeing an electron microscope pic of it early on. I'm not an expert on that topic but I believe isolating a virus is a fairly straight forward thing. Some intel:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...l-culture.html

I found that from May, but the offending quote is from a July publication.

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

I didn't major in a medical field, but I have noticed the medical field(among others) giving free passes to rioters and other favored left leaning groups while simultaneously calling for draconian restrictions on everyone else. That coupled with a not so great history of nefarious crap(Tuskegee syphilis experiments and various med groups using utter BS to advocate 2nd Amendment violations from a claimed medical standpoint) aren't exactly the actions of a segment of society that needs to be believed without question.

[WillBrink]

I found that from May, but the offending quote is from a July publication.

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

I didn't major in a medical field, but I have noticed the medical field(among others) giving free passes to rioters and other favored left leaning groups while simultaneously calling for draconian restrictions on everyone else. That coupled with a not so great history of nefarious crap(Tuskegee syphilis experiments and various med groups using utter BS to advocate 2nd Amendment violations from a claimed medical standpoint) aren't exactly the actions of a segment of society that needs to be believed without question.

There's no group that should ever be believed without question, or as the sign says "In God we trust, everyone else must show data."

I'm not a religious man myself, but the quote is dead on. Data talks, BS walks. Sometimes there's no data to work with however, and that's where things tend to get wonky real fast.

Covid specifically that translated into "we didn't prepare well, we got taken for a ride by the Chinese again, there's no data to work with being a novel virus, so lets go into panic mode until we have a better idea what the hell we are working with due lack of prep knowing this was coming some day, and make sure to politicize the hell out of it for personal gain and we hate Trump"

[chuckman]

I didn't major in a medical field, but I have noticed the medical field(among others) giving free passes to rioters and other favored left leaning groups while simultaneously calling for draconian restrictions on everyone else. That coupled with a not so great history of nefarious crap(Tuskegee syphilis experiments and various med groups using utter BS to advocate 2nd Amendment violations from a claimed medical standpoint) aren't exactly the actions of a segment of society that needs to be believed without question.

I have seen this, too, at my dismay. This does not happen where I work. When we had the BLM/ANTIFA BS in our little burg, our docs/leadership came down hard against those activities.

[ABNAK]

The Greatest Generation didn’t whine about their feelz on the World Wide Web. However, every non-complaint individual was a potential deadly vector.
The Salk Vaccine was much riskier vaccine than any of the present candidates.

You seem to come across as a bit of a smarmy smart-ass sometimes. I don't recall "whining" about anything. I recall posing a question to which you had legit no answer.

For the record, I had all those childhood vaccines way back in the day.

[ABNAK]

There's not a single vaccine that is mandatory. I can't see how they would enforce that. But employers can make it mandatory, and it can be tied into any .gov funding, so there's where we'll see it happen. I guarantee that where I work, it'll be mandatory within 3 months of our institution getting it.

If I get a vaccine, I don't give a rat's ass if you get one for the very reason you mentioned. Actually, I don't care if you get one or not, or any vaccine. That's up to you and your rationale.

Where I work if you take a flu shot you have to sign your name that you're giving permission to receive it. I imagine the same will be true for any possible COVID vaccine. What do you think that signature means? Without asking an attorney, I'd wager you're waiving any right to sue the shit out of them if something goes south afterwards. Also, telling you that you have to take whatever vaccine in order to remain employed isn't exactly voluntary in my book. Sure, they're not tying you down and injecting you, but c'mon, seriously? You will be fired if you don't? AND sign on this line right here so we can't be sued? That ain't "voluntary" to me.

A little background: my dad started developing symptoms of what eventually killed him (CIDP, which is a disease "brother" to Guillain-Barre) about two weeks after taking a flu shot. While no genetic link has been proven to susceptibility, neither has it been disproven. So after seeing that whole shit-show play out I'll take my chances on going without a flu shot.

A COVID vaccine? My gut says to hold off as long as possible and watch the guinea pigs to see what happens. If it seems GTG I'd probably get one. The mRNA one which re-programs your immune system? Nah, not that one.

Also, another question comes to mind: will those who have had COVID be required/coerced/encouraged to get one? If they are then I would have my doubts about the efficacy, at least for any length of time.

[WillBrink]

Where I work if you take a flu shot you have to sign your name that you're giving permission to receive it. I imagine the same will be true for any possible COVID vaccine. What do you think that signature means? Without asking an attorney, I'd wager you're waiving any right to sue the shit out of them if something goes south afterwards. Also, telling you that you have to take whatever vaccine in order to remain employed isn't exactly voluntary in my book. Sure, they're not tying you down and injecting you, but c'mon, seriously? You will be fired if you don't? AND sign on this line right here so we can't be sued? That ain't "voluntary" to me.

A little background: my dad started developing symptoms of what eventually killed him (CIDP, which is a disease "brother" to Guillain-Barre) about two weeks after taking a flu shot. While no genetic link has been proven to susceptibility, neither has it been disproven. So after seeing that whole shit-show play out I'll take my chances on going without a flu shot.

A COVID vaccine? My gut says to hold off as long as possible and watch the guinea pigs to see what happens. If it seems GTG I'd probably get one. The mRNA one which re-programs your immune system? Nah, not that one.

Also, another question comes to mind: will those who have had COVID be required/coerced/encouraged to get one? If they are then I would have my doubts about the efficacy, at least for any length of time.

FYI, the SO is currently in one of the vaccine trials and of course does not know if she's gotten the active or the placebo. One interesting thing is, if she gets covid while in the trial, they cover it all.

[ABNAK]

FYI, the SO is currently in one of the vaccine trials and of course does not know if she's gotten the active or the placebo. One interesting thing is, if she gets covid while in the trial, they cover it all.

Is the trial for one of the mRNA ones? I would hope they'd at least tell her which one it might be.

To be clear I didn't mean "guinea pigs" in a disparaging fashion; kind of "one who an experiment is conducted on". It was the first thing that came to mind without getting off into the weeds differentiating between "trial participants" (which your SO is) or first-wave "vaccine recipients".

[WillBrink]

Is the trial for one of the mRNA ones? I would hope they'd at least tell her which one it might be.

To be clear I didn't mean "guinea pigs" in a disparaging fashion; kind of "one who an experiment is conducted on". It was the first thing that came to mind without getting off into the weeds differentiating between "trial participants" (which your SO is) or first-wave "vaccine recipients".

Yes mRNA study. It's not much of a double blind placebo trial if they tell you which you got, which of course they don't know either if properly double blinded.

[Diamondback]

Yes mRNA study. It's not much of a double blind placebo trial if they tell you which you got, which of course they don't know either of properly double blinded.

Hope all goes well for her. If your kids are born with three eyes, though, you know what caused it...