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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    Riddle me this:

    If/when a vaccine becomes available, there will be a push to browbeat or force everyone to take it. What I don't understand is if you have gotten the vaccine, why are you worried whether I got one or not? I mean, you should be good-to-go then, right? Why would me choosing to not get a vaccine worry you at that point?

    Same can be said about the flu vaccine also.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil View Post
    It's a bit premature to speak to the effectiveness of a COVID vaccine that hasn't been released.

    As far as flu vaccinations... understand they're not 100% effective. Mayo Clinic suggests that flu vaccines are about 50% effective for those who get them. Lots of folks have compromised immune systems and some cannot take a vaccine, and some vaccines miss the mark for a particular strain. While far less than 100% effective, the more who are vaccinated and their immune systems effectively knock out the particular strain of influenza when exposed, the fewer will be blowing their viral load on others, fewer infections, fewer hospitalizations and all the rest. Generally speaking, the more who are vaccinated the better.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20048000
    Exactly. It all depends on how effective the vaccine is and how fast each version loses effectiveness. More people vaccinated and with acquired immunity- or at least better immuno response. Like carbon rods in a reactor, one doesn't make that much of a difference, get enough and they slow everything down.


    50% effective is probably about right, we get new tweaks every year. We lose 40-70,000 people a year to the flu, so maybe you end up with Covid killing 400,000 from March to March and then 200,000 winter 2021-22 and 100,000ish winter 2022-23, and the new normal is 90-140,000 per year. We've lived for decades with half of that with out really batting an eye.

    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    Lets not forget however that those with a compromised immune system that get the flu also the most likely to end up with serious compilations and die. Those with compromised immunity, other than some very specific reasons, encouraged to get a flu shot each season for that reason.
    I don't get what you mean...
    The Second Amendment ACKNOWLEDGES our right to own and bear arms that are in common use that can be used for lawful purposes. The arms can be restricted ONLY if subject to historical analogue from the founding era or is dangerous (unsafe) AND unusual.

    It's that simple.

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    Worth asking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbhike View Post
    Worth asking.
    Not really. Last part on tyranny is legit Q, but Sci/med discussion it aint...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    Exactly. It all depends on how effective the vaccine is and how fast each version loses effectiveness. More people vaccinated and with acquired immunity- or at least better immuno response. Like carbon rods in a reactor, one doesn't make that much of a difference, get enough and they slow everything down.


    50% effective is probably about right, we get new tweaks every year. We lose 40-70,000 people a year to the flu, so maybe you end up with Covid killing 400,000 from March to March and then 200,000 winter 2021-22 and 100,000ish winter 2022-23, and the new normal is 90-140,000 per year. We've lived for decades with half of that with out really batting an eye.



    I don't get what you mean...
    I believe Will is talking about other than a potential Guillain-barre' syndrome type of thing (rare), there's really no risk to the flu vaccine. It's a dead vaccine (inactive virus, or just a protein), so it can't 'give you the flu,' so there is only upside: total immunization at best, partial immunization at worst. Well, I guess really the 'worst' is getting a flu strain which the vaccination does not cover but this year it's a quadrivalent vaccine (four strains). So people who are immunocompromised are usually shuffled to the front of the line for flu vaccine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckman View Post
    I believe Will is talking about other than a potential Guillain-barre' syndrome type of thing (rare), there's really no risk to the flu vaccine. It's a dead vaccine (inactive virus, or just a protein), so it can't 'give you the flu,' so there is only upside: total immunization at best, partial immunization at worst. Well, I guess really the 'worst' is getting a flu strain which the vaccination does not cover but this year it's a quadrivalent vaccine (four strains). So people who are immunocompromised are usually shuffled to the front of the line for flu vaccine.
    Yes, those are the people who actually need the flu shot most as they have a much higher potential for serious complications and death from the flu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    Not really. Last part on tyranny is legit Q, but Sci/med discussion it aint...
    So why is this(referenced in one of his questions) not scientific or medical?

    https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3925/rr-2

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbhike View Post
    So why is this(referenced in one of his questions) not scientific or medical?

    https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3925/rr-2
    Hence why those without a sci/med background tend to grab onto their own pre existing narratives and taken out of context to support it:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN27633R

    What you posted was an editorial anyone can send in and does not constitute useful data. The virus has been isolated a while ago and they know it's exact DNA sequence and so forth. Promoting bad science and or conspiracy nonsense is not helpfu one reason it's gonna be around longer than it needs to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    Not really. Last part on tyranny is legit Q, but Sci/med discussion it aint...
    Well most science is really all just social constructs nowadays to many anyways it seems


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    Quote Originally Posted by jpmuscle View Post
    Well most science is really all just social constructs nowadays to many anyways it seems
    There's some sad truths to that, especially where it concerns covid. You really have to dig under the hood to find the legit science, and that takes time effort and knowledge of the topic and understanding that no one has all the answers, which makes for a bad combo.

    But yup, nothing seems untouched by the social aspects these days. Point to a 100 studies that show eating too much and moving too little is why all but a tiny % are obese, and they'll accuse you of fat shaming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    Hence why those without a sci/med background tend to grab onto their own pre existing narratives and taken out of context to support it:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN27633R

    What you posted was an editorial anyone can send in and does not constitute useful data. The virus has been isolated a while ago and they know it's exact DNA sequence and so forth. Promoting bad science and or conspiracy nonsense is not helpfu one reason it's gonna be around longer than it needs to be.
    Out of curiosity, when was it isolated?

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