Covid 19 Sci/med discussions only

[PracticalRifleman]

But it demonstrates the claims that anything but a properly fitted n95 is a complete waste of time incorrect.



I'd say we agree more than we don't. I think it's simply a matter of threshold. For me, the threshold of evidence to confidently say masks can and will help reduce transmission has been reached - with the caveats I mentioned prior - and for you perhaps it has not.

I posit that masks plus "Distancing and frequent hand washing" will be more effective than "Distancing and frequent hand washing" without masks and i think the bulk of the evidence supports that enough to make that call.

Your mileage may differ and mine may too as more data etc evolves.

Absolutely, I can agree surgical masks do something and that cloth masks do next to nothing. Therein lies part of the problem, there is such a variety of masks and problems associated with them. Then we must consider the mounting evidence that asymptomatic people cannot infect others. Outside clinical settings, I just don’t see a benefit overall and I certainly haven’t seen evidence to convince me that there is any tangible benefit to the public who at large only wears cloth masks and does so incorrectly.

Combine that with junk science being used to justify cloth masks and a large portion of the research of mask justification based on other viruses after we’ve been told “you can’t compare influenza to COVID”.

At this point I don’t think we’ve left any stones unturned with regard to masks themselves. We are very similar in regards to seeking evidence and I appreciate the calm, level-headed discussion.

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[ChattanoogaPhil]

The message from government to the American people was loud and clear:

Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS!
They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus

The purpose was to lower public demand for surgical masks and N95 respirators. The message wasn't sustainable so it morphed into 99 cent bandanas are effective in preventing the general public from catching Coronavirus. The message changed but serves the original purpose.

Disinfecting wipes are as rare hens' teeth for the general public, but you'll see them at every seat in Washington, including hand sanitizer.

[yoni]

Maybe some good news about an existing medicine reducing Covid to little more than a cold and it clears out the lungs.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science...in-days-635028

[Diamondback]

Maybe some good news about an existing medicine reducing Covid to little more than a cold and it clears out the lungs.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science...in-days-635028

Let's hope this works out and quick--if it does Commie Lung AIDS becomes an Instant Nothingburger. Which is probably why many with vested interests will want to thwart it...

[WillBrink]

Maybe some good news about an existing medicine reducing Covid to little more than a cold and it clears out the lungs.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science...in-days-635028

Interesting in that it jibes with other data that finds elevated blood sugar associated with poor outcomes with Covid and it's been hypthosized low carb/keto diets may be protective, perhaps due to the same mechanisms the researchers in the article you posted are attempting to target:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...bly-covid-191/

[fledge]

After following this thread for a while, I don’t recall reading studies that support PracticalRifleman’s position that asymptomatic people are not contagious. I probably missed it.

Do you mind pointing me in the right direction, PR?

[ABNAK]

While this is anecdotal (but is from ME!!!) I throw this out there for you to ponder:

One of my best friends is a retired SGM from 5th SFG. He's 67yo. A mutual friend of both of ours, let's call him Mike, is a 69yo retired Army (Vietnam vet) and civil service guy. [yeah, some of my buds are ancient! ] I hang out in my SF buddy's shop on most weekend afternoons, working on guns/BS'ing/drinking a cold brewski. Mike comes over every now and then.

We were all three in the shop on June 28th (a Sunday) for a couple hours, sitting maybe 5-6 feet apart and fixing the world's problems. Mike was tested for COVID the next day, June 29th. About a week later he got positive results back. So we know he was positive as of June 29th, and probably safe to assume he was the day prior also. Mike is a man of few words and when I asked him why he got tested he wryly said "Just wanted to run their numbers up!" (he meant testing numbers, not that he felt bad).

Found out last Friday that Mike was sick. He had been admitted for 3 days and then sent home with oxygen, antibiotics, and steroids (never smoked, intermittent asthma issues but hasn't for a long time). He was ordered 3 liters of oxygen, and since this is directly in my wheelhouse my wife and I stopped by his house yesterday and dropped off a pulse oximeter on his front porch. We backed up, he came to the door, and I told him how to use it. His sat was 94% on 3 liters of oxygen. Certainly okay by clinical standards, but this dude wasn't on any before this. Told him if he dropped into the 80's with his O2 on to take his ass to the hospital ASAP.

Okay, the TL/DR point? Knock on wood, but neither my retired SF buddy nor I have gotten sick (yet). It's been 3 weeks today that we were all in the shop together.

[PracticalRifleman]

After following this thread for a while, I don’t recall reading studies that support PracticalRifleman’s position that asymptomatic people are not contagious. I probably missed it.

Do you mind pointing me in the right direction, PR?

I linked one earlier. It had been the consensus among the medical professionals I know as well including three different infectious disease physicians.


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[AndyLate]

With the political debates surrounding all things Covid, it's easy to forget that there is hard science involved. I knew viruses mutate, I did not realize the mutations created markers which allow identifications of different "versions" and the location of origin.

It's logical that some "versions" of the virus may be less infectious, have different incubation periods, etc.

This is an older article (April) and it's from the NYT, but it has some interesting information about the way Covid came to Europe and the US.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...mutations.html

Andy

[PracticalRifleman]

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-u...ines-isolation

Not a medical journal but an update in CDC isolation guidelines; another nail in the “asymptomatic spread” coffin.


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