I’m tired.

[Grand58742]

Frankly, in aggregate, the economy should be ‘ok’. Half of people work for the govt, so they aren’t taking cuts yet. We have dumped about $2trillion plus into the economy. There is A LOT OF MONEY out there, somewhere- not saying that it is reaching the right people, and that people are hurting, big time.

Sun’s out, temps in the70-80s, backyard in Doppler shade in the afternoon. I take a long two hour lunch with out devices.

I'll give my boss all the credit in the world. He fought with corporate, wheeled and dealed, and worked out it with our various clients to keep me on salary at the moment.

Problem is, this could affect him as well in another month. So, we might end up repeating the process in June. Things are coming back though, slowly, but I think in another month we should be stable enough to get back on our feet.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I'll give my boss all the credit in the world. He fought with corporate, wheeled and dealed, and worked out it with our various clients to keep me on salary at the moment.

Problem is, this could affect him as well in another month. So, we might end up repeating the process in June. Things are coming back though, slowly, but I think in another month we should be stable enough to get back on our feet.

You said you are in “events“? I attend and present and a range of tradeshows and conferences, and while some are still on for the fall or even have been rescheduled for it we’re really unsure as to whether they’re going to actually happen. Now I know that canceling those and unwinding those is a job into itself, and then switching to perhaps a Remote or digital format is another job, but if you see Events or you guys thinking that there will be Large scale couple hundred people in a room conferences this fall?

[Grand58742]

You said you are in “events“? I attend and present and a range of tradeshows and conferences, and while some are still on for the fall or even have been rescheduled for it we’re really unsure as to whether they’re going to actually happen. Now I know that canceling those and unwinding those is a job into itself, and then switching to perhaps a Remote or digital format is another job, but if you see Events or you guys thinking that there will be Large scale couple hundred people in a room conferences this fall?

We cover a variety of events and if said convention centers and whatnot have us under contract, that's where we'll be. But by and large, most of our large clients across the company are sporting related. Both professional and collegiate. OU is our largest client out here. We have other clients locally, but they too are affected by the CV.

Long story short, the NCAA still has no idea what they are going to do this fall. I will say I suspect most college Athletic Directors are saying the same thing. Each and every one of them need college football to happen and will push it to go on. Not to get too far in depth on the explanation, but football is the engine that drives most athletic departments in college. No football? No other sports. No sports, no TV money, merchandise sales are down, scholarships are down across the board, etc. Basically a domino effect across the entire university system.

As to how and when the football season happens is still unknown, but I am 99% certain it will happen. That's what will get us back into better shape financially as a company.

[CrashAxe]

We cover a variety of events and if said convention centers and whatnot have us under contract, that's where we'll be. But by and large, most of our large clients across the company are sporting related. Both professional and collegiate. OU is our largest client out here. We have other clients locally, but they too are affected by the CV.

Long story short, the NCAA still has no idea what they are going to do this fall. I will say I suspect most college Athletic Directors are saying the same thing. Each and every one of them need college football to happen and will push it to go on. Not to get too far in depth on the explanation, but football is the engine that drives most athletic departments in college. No football? No other sports. No sports, no TV money, merchandise sales are down, scholarships are down across the board, etc. Basically a domino effect across the entire university system.

As to how and when the football season happens is still unknown, but I am 99% certain it will happen. That's what will get us back into better shape financially as a company.

How important are the fans in the stands, as opposed to televised games? Obviously packed stadiums are a huge excitement factor, but revenue-wise, would televised games with empty stadiums or socially distanced stadiums bring in the money needed if TV viewers watched the games?

[WS6]

Everywhere I look, I see thieves and liars held up as “good people,” promoted as role models, and heralded as leadership figures. They never fail to prosper. YouTube is littered with them, all making a living from the unsuspecting and the unwary.

Selfless and honest people are on the wane. Some have died, others faded into obscurity, and a few have rejected a path of truthfulness, and gone the worldly route. This country has become very twisted and perverse.

I really don’t see much of anything to look forward to, and there isn’t anything that gives me any joy.

Psychopathy is rewarded, integrity is punished. Opportunism, materialism, selfishness, deceit and exploitation of others - these are the values of New Age America. And there’s just no end in sight.

Hard to get excited about living, anymore. Just wasted days spent in lock-up, because “government says so,” while everyday folks go broke. Feels like I’m trapped in a lunatic asylum.

I’m very tired of it all, and constantly wonder why the good Lord doesn’t put a stop to it.

Dark days.

I came to the same conclusion years ago, minus belief in a higher power. I stopped caring. **** it. **** them. Moved off into the woods and only come out to work, shop, or do jujitsu, now.

[Grand58742]

How important are the fans in the stands, as opposed to televised games? Obviously packed stadiums are a huge excitement factor, but revenue-wise, would televised games with empty stadiums or socially distanced stadiums bring in the money needed if TV viewers watched the games?

Extremely important. Take Neyland Stadium (University of Tennessee) as an example. It holds 102,455 patrons. Even if tickets were only $40 per person (they aren't) and they sold out, that's still $4 million in ticket sales for a single game. And that's not counting the clubs and suites which command a far higher price. Typically, there's six home games a season so you're looking at baseline $25 million just on ticket sales for a single season. Obviously, that's going to vary significantly for smaller universities and lower ticket prices. But it's certainly not counting in concessions, parking, program sales, etc.

TV cannot compete with that kind of money per game, per school. Now, there are "social distancing" items that are being discussed at a lot of places. Like "$50 buys you the game on Sooner Sports where it's being broadcast" and you watch it like pay per view. Obviously, that's on the non-network televised games. Basically no crowd games. Or they are talking about social distancing with limited fans coming in (good effin luck with that).

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next couple of months. I have this feeling you have a whole bunch of Athletic Directors telling the NCAA they best get it fixed because football is going to be played with or without them. To coin the old saying "if you build it, they will come." If they play football games, especially in places that are football crazy like Oklahoma, Texas and the entire Southeast, people are going to be lined up to get in.

FYI, here's the top 27 athletic departments that make nine figures a year. There's some figures on there with how much football makes per school.

https://www.businessinsider.com/scho...ghorns-2017-11

[triggerjerk]

I live in a college town with a major university. Word is 7million in revenue per home game. Not including tickets. A pizza place owner says 10-15 thou gross per home Saturday....

[Adrenaline_6]

Extremely important. Take Neyland Stadium (University of Tennessee) as an example. It holds 102,455 patrons. Even if tickets were only $40 per person (they aren't) and they sold out, that's still $4 million in ticket sales for a single game. And that's not counting the clubs and suites which command a far higher price. Typically, there's six home games a season so you're looking at baseline $25 million just on ticket sales for a single season. Obviously, that's going to vary significantly for smaller universities and lower ticket prices. But it's certainly not counting in concessions, parking, program sales, etc.

TV cannot compete with that kind of money per game, per school. Now, there are "social distancing" items that are being discussed at a lot of places. Like "$50 buys you the game on Sooner Sports where it's being broadcast" and you watch it like pay per view. Obviously, that's on the non-network televised games. Basically no crowd games. Or they are talking about social distancing with limited fans coming in (good effin luck with that).

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next couple of months. I have this feeling you have a whole bunch of Athletic Directors telling the NCAA they best get it fixed because football is going to be played with or without them. To coin the old saying "if you build it, they will come." If they play football games, especially in places that are football crazy like Oklahoma, Texas and the entire Southeast, people are going to be lined up to get in.

FYI, here's the top 27 athletic departments that make nine figures a year. There's some figures on there with how much football makes per school.

https://www.businessinsider.com/scho...ghorns-2017-11

That isn't pure profit though. There is significant overhead that takes a lot of that money away in expense.

[Grand58742]

That isn't pure profit though. There is significant overhead that takes a lot of that money away in expense.

You are correct as there are scholarships, salaries, room and board for the athletes, travel expenses, etc, etc, etc.

However, eventually you either get real close to the black or over it and the department can self fund. A lot of programs have that opportunity, yet still get state funds for certain things. But there are plenty that don't "require" funds from the academic or state side. They still take it though.

Regardless, based on the numbers in that article, it's clear football is what pays for nearly every other program. There are some programs other than football that break even or manage a profit depending on the location (Kansas and Kentucky basketball for example) but football is still the engine that drives other programs that normally couldn't be funded by a university. And those scholarships go away as well.