Are We In A Police State?

[jsbhike]

RISK=Hazard * Exposure

Once a week exposure is far different than multiple exposures everyday. Work, gym, dinner, lunch and a stop here and there. So maybe in a week 50 interactions versus 1. You get what I'm gettin' at Verne? That greatly reduces the spread.



Politicians f up. You can you can vote them out if you don't like their leadership. Until then, they are the leader.



To me, this is where all this is headed and where the real issues come from. When we know more about the hazard and can better estimate risk and the decisions on the exposure- how much interaction.

So you put this on your phone and someone pings positive that you came close to- what then? Make you take a test? Make you hard quaratine at home- and the real question, to me the true line, they get to take you to a facility.... I don't think that we'll get to that, mainly because it would be too many people. More likely, the issue will become that you aren't allowed out and back to work until you put the tracking on your devices- so either comply or be removed from society...



Northern Italy and Spain. This thing kills. It also maims, something that hasn't been as widely reported or focused on. If infection doesn't confer immunity, and you get COVID a second time, I'm thinking that a lot of those people aren't going to survive their second ride of the rollercoaster....


https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...navirus-135826
https://reason.com/2020/03/18/police...not-unlimited/

State by state is probably going to vary, with even cities having codes.
Here is CO:
https://codes.findlaw.com/co/title-2...5-1-5-102.html


I know people don't like it, but public health and communicable diseases gives the local govts a lot of power, probably because dicking around in the past with things like Cholera, smallpox, polio, and others didn't give people time to argue the finer points.

So why even bother having a Constitution if the only option is voting them out, which does little good considering the bipartisan/unipartisan running of things.

And not every one that is a problem is elected.

[jsbhike]

If this is true then the corona death toll numbers that are being put out mean absolutely nothing.

Then there is this angle.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...us/3000638001/

[tvfreakarms]

I have known about both of these since Day 1 of the SARS-Cov-2 outbreak.

Would like to see some discussion on this forum about this.

::Puts on tinfoil::

Why put it on when it's real lol.
Theres also this https://archive.org/details/pdfy-tNG...-wiJb/mode/2up

Ummm... that was in 2010. And wow very eerie, similar to event 201. .

Than you have billy boy has been talking about a pandemic for the last few yrs.

I'm mean shit people, how many coincidences do we need to put the puzzles together?

Imo it's not about the left or right anymore. People need to wake up. And I thought these fools (politicians) are suppose to work for us and not for the few.

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[yoni]

I think the problem with everyone here you have never been in a police state. In a real police state for even asking the question are we in a police state you get picked up in the middle of the night.

You still own guns, then no it is self evident we are not in a police state.

[tvfreakarms]

I think the problem with everyone here you have never been in a police state. In a real police state for even asking the question are we in a police state you get picked up in the middle of the night.

You still own guns, then no it is self evident we are not in a police state.

Like I said before, it's a slow transition. You think if they did it like they are doing over there in china, people wont start acting up?
China, people have no way of defending themselves. So it's easier.

And why do u think there is constant rules and regulations being thrown at the 2nd.

They have their plans. Police state just doesn't mean necessarily you dont some freedom of speech, but the surveillance.

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[SteyrAUG]

I think the problem with everyone here you have never been in a police state. In a real police state for even asking the question are we in a police state you get picked up in the middle of the night.

You still own guns, then no it is self evident we are not in a police state.

I tried to point that out earlier.

I also think this again is zip code dependent. I imagine in NYC it does feel like you "could be arrested" if on the street after dark. But currently I can walk to any place I want in town and buy whatever I want along the way.

We are so far from a police state that I can't believe I'm actually having this discussion.

That said, I think everyone agrees there is overstep, but again I hate to say it might be necessary because we can't depend upon the average idiot to act like a responsible grown up. It sucks and it's wrong but if I had to choose between the two extremes, I'd have probably issued the same "stay at home" orders.

Because AGAIN if they did nothing and people here were losing loved ones and states were racking up deaths in the hundreds of thousands everything would be "Where was the government?" "Trump doesn't care about people in NOLA" crap all over again.

[SteyrAUG]

And why do u think there is constant rules and regulations being thrown at the 2nd.

Because most people can't even tell you what the "sporter clause" is. I wonder if you know. I wonder if you have contacted your reps about it. I wonder if you have contacted the NRA about it.

[TomMcC]

I think the problem with everyone here you have never been in a police state. In a real police state for even asking the question are we in a police state you get picked up in the middle of the night.

You still own guns, then no it is self evident we are not in a police state.

I don't think anyone here is obtuse to the point that they think we're even close to something like NK. I think the issue, at least for me, is that of an acceleration of abuses of power resulting in unnecessary encroachments upon the lives of hundreds of millions of Americans. I don't trust guys like Gavin Newson AT ALL, just like I don't trust ANY Marxists, and am suspicious of literally everything he, and they think, say, or do. For me, if you want to ride slipshod over my life, you better articulate the exact reason and law and LIMITATIONS to this particular game plan...and if you don't, well, excuse me while I go shoot my guns and breath some free air.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Look up event 201, id2020 etc etc.

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I have known about both of these since Day 1 of the SARS-Cov-2 outbreak.

Would like to see some discussion on this forum about this.

::Puts on tinfoil::

Can you guys TL;DR this for us?

So why even bother having a Constitution if the only option is voting them out, which does little good considering the bipartisan/unipartisan running of things.

And not every one that is a problem is elected.

Maybe people could be smart and not irresponsibly congregate and wear masks when needed. Stop the spread and the legal authority to take action to stop the spread isn't needed. Our side should be the ones putting pressure on people to act appropriately. The less spread, the less legal authority for interference.

The actions should be taken at the lowest level of govt possible- city or county, state is actually almost too big in most cases.

No right in the Constitution is absolute. You don't like an action, take it to court. That is why the restrictions need to be as local as possible because that increases the diversity of actions that can be taken under scrutiny and deemed to be rationally based or not defendable.

I think the problem with everyone here you have never been in a police state. In a real police state for even asking the question are we in a police state you get picked up in the middle of the night.

You still own guns, then no it is self evident we are not in a police state.

Stop with the logic, experience, and examples....

[jsbhike]

Can you guys TL;DR this for us?



Maybe people could be smart and not irresponsibly congregate and wear masks when needed. Stop the spread and the legal authority to take action to stop the spread isn't needed. Our side should be the ones putting pressure on people to act appropriately. The less spread, the less legal authority for interference.

The actions should be taken at the lowest level of govt possible- city or county, state is actually almost too big in most cases.

No right in the Constitution is absolute. You don't like an action, take it to court. That is why the restrictions need to be as local as possible because that increases the diversity of actions that can be taken under scrutiny and deemed to be rationally based or not defendable.

I have heard that before.

“When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly.... [However, now] there's a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it.”