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    Are We In A Police State?

    This was on my YT feed this morning. He makes some excellent points. Shutting down the whole world for this virus hasn't made sense to me since day one. Quarantine the sick and the immune compromised for sure, and by all means make everyone else aware of what is going on, but all THIS? The thing is, I can't quite put my finger on what "they" are up to. I'm not saying this C19 thing is a hoax. I'm saying that the response to it makes no sense. I'm not alone. Many people have told me they see it the same way. The scariest thing about it has been the general public's willingness to accept what the media and politicians are telling them they "must" do. And the willingness of some law enforcement to go along with it.

    The following is a short essay explaining Mr. Prager's thoughts on the matter. I found it poignant and timely:


    Our Dress Rehearsal for a Police State
    By Dennis Prager

    All my life, I have dismissed paranoids on the right ("America is headed to communism") and the left ("It can happen here" -- referring to fascism). It's not that I've ever believed liberty was guaranteed. Being familiar with history and a pessimist regarding the human condition, I never believed that.

    But the ease with which police state tactics have been employed and the equal ease with which most Americans have accepted them have been breathtaking.

    People will argue that a temporary police state has been justified because of the allegedly unique threat to life posed by the new coronavirus. I do not believe the data will bear that out. Regardless, let us at least agree that we are closer to a police state than ever in American history.

    "Police state" does not mean totalitarian state. America is not a totalitarian state; we still have many freedoms. In a totalitarian state, this article could not be legally published, and if it were illegally published, I would be imprisoned and/or executed. But we are presently living with all four of the key hallmarks of a police state:

    No. 1: Draconian laws depriving citizens of elementary civil rights.

    The federal, state, county and city governments are now restricting almost every freedom except those of travel and speech. Americans have been banned from going to work (and thereby earning a living), meeting in groups (both indoors and outdoors), meeting in their cars in church parking lots to pray and entering state-owned properties such as beaches and parks -- among many other prohibitions.

    No. 2: A mass media supportive of the state's messaging and deprivation of rights.

    The New York Times, CNN and every other mainstream mass medium -- except Fox News, The Wall Street Journal (editorial and opinion pages only) and talk radio -- have served the cause of state control over individual Americans' lives just as Pravda served the Soviet government. In fact, there is almost no more dissent in The New York Times than there was in Pravda. And the Big Tech platforms are removing posts about the virus and potential treatments they deem "misinformation."

    No. 3: Use of police.

    Police departments throughout America have agreed to enforce these laws and edicts with what can only be described as frightening alacrity. After hearing me describe police giving summonses to, or even arresting, people for playing baseball with their children on a beach, jogging alone without a mask, or worshipping on Easter while sitting isolated in their cars in a church parking lot, a police officer called my show. He explained that the police have no choice. They must respond to every dispatch they receive.

    "And why are they dispatched to a person jogging on a beach or sitting alone in a park?" I asked.

    Because the department was informed about these lawbreakers.

    "And who told the police about these lawbreakers?" I asked.

    His answer brings us to the fourth characteristic of a police state:

    No. 4: Snitches.

    How do the police dispatchers learn of lawbreakers such as families playing softball in a public park, lone joggers without face masks, etc.? From their fellow citizens snitching on them. The mayor of New York City, Bill de Blasio, set up a "snitch line," whereby New Yorkers were told to send authorities photos of fellow New Yorkers violating any of the quarantine laws. Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti similarly encouraged snitching, unabashedly using the term.

    It is said that about 1 in every 100 East German citizens were informers for the Stasi, the East German secret police, as superbly portrayed in the film "The Lives of Others." It would be interesting, and, I think, important, to know what percentage of New Yorkers informed on their fellow citizens. Now, again, you may think such a comparison is not morally valid, that de Blasio's call to New Yorkers to serve a Stasi-like role was morally justified given the coronavirus pandemic. But you cannot deny it is Stasi-like or that, other than identifying spies during World War II, this is unprecedented in American history at anywhere near this level.

    This past Friday night, I gathered with six others for a Shabbat dinner with friends in Santa Monica, California. On my Friday radio show, I announced I would be doing that, and if I was arrested, it would be worth it. In my most pessimistic dreams, I never imagined that in America, having dinner at a friend's house would be an act of civil disobedience, perhaps even a criminal act. But that is precisely what happens in a police state.

    The reason I believe this is a dress rehearsal is that too many Americans appear untroubled by it; the dominant force in America, the left, supports it, and one of the two major political parties has been taken over by the left. Democrats and their supporters have, in effect, announced they will use state power to enforce any law they can to combat the even greater "existential" crisis of global warming.

    On the CNN website this weekend, in one of the most frightening and fanatical articles in an era of fanaticism, Bill Weir, CNN chief climate correspondent, wrote an open letter to his newborn son. In it, he wrote of his idealized future for America: "completely new forms of power, food, construction, transportation, economics and politics."

    You cannot get there without a police state.

    If you love liberty, you must see that it is jeopardized more than at any time since America's founding. And that means, among other things, that at this time, a vote for any Democrat is a vote to end liberty.

    Dennis Prager ... 4/28/2020


    Anyone want to discuss? Share your thoughts?
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    I read it too. At first, I was really worried about this thing. I mean, when have entire nations, the world, shut down the economy and everything else like travel, commerce. Even terrorism has fallen off the map for now. What was this monster coming out of China?

    But... But. The numbers don’t work. I did the math today on CFR here in the US. I came up with 0.057% CFR assuming the numbers are good. But we know they’re bad because many states have been caught marking every death to the virus, regardless of cause. And as the cases increase with testing and we find it’s much more contagious than we thought, we will also find out it less dangerous than made out to be as the CFR plummets. Unless something happens in Stage II like I Am Legend. Idk.

    But it’s even more terrifying how politicians have taken control of everything everywhere “for safety, for all of us”. And the Cucks and Karen’s have come out in force to harangue all of us. One cunt in the neighborhood was calling the cops on people walking in the subdivision on Easter.

    The bottom line is this is bullshit and needs to stop. I personally think that:

    1. It came out of the lab. It was made or enhanced by China.
    2. They let it out to stop the protests. It got away from them but they reacted quickly to take advantage of the international disruption in their normal ham-handed way.
    3. The Left and media, and all of the stay behinds in the Administration, took full advantage to do the ONE thing that could hurt Trump in the election. Crash the economy. For evidence, look at how they fight to keep every thing locked down, to the point of coming food shortages which are already hitting. Snitches. Fighting against every single thing Trump says in the briefings despite him being correct.

    Venezuela for the US overnight and wrapped up with a bow “for the safety of us all”. Yeah, **** that on toast.


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    There are a lot of Americans, including those in blue states, who are pushing back on the lockdown. And the longer it goes on the more you are going to see if it.
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    Of course we are. It's a slow transition for sure.
    The elites who think they need to control us, they have been in this game for a very long time. They play it smart and slow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulletdog View Post
    Are We In A Police State?
    - Either you're part of the problem or you're part of the solution or you're just part of the landscape - Sam (Robert DeNiro) in, "Ronin" -

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    Anybody actually see or hear from our masters, I mean fearless leaders, what actual laws they derive this "lock down authority" from? Maybe they have and I missed it.The Pres restrained himself from going fascist, realizing that there was NO constitutional authority to lock us down, Good for him. What a soft and compliant people we have become. Like Prager says...no more are we the land of the free and home of the brave...now we're the better safe than sorry cravenites.

    I actually heard a "Christian" lady on Prager today say that the President mandated this lock down, and that we should just, really without question submit to the gov't...what a maroon. A grossly superficial view of the Bible. I've heard the same from others. Many people don't actually even know that President recommended some of these things...emphasis on "recommendation" not mandated.
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    This is nothing but a test run to gauge response.
    Gettin' down innagrass.
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    Don’t worry it is for the greater good!!!!!

    Most will gladly bend over for the greater good, look no further then how many on this forum gladly accepted the current Restrictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titsonritz View Post
    This is nothing but a test run to gauge response.
    In many respect that is true, but this is also a test run to see how effectively we can quarantine a particularly aggressive virus that we currently don't have a vaccine for.

    And I swear to god if Trump and state governors did NOTHING, Trump would be being impeached right now and HALF of this forum would be saying "the government did it ON PURPOSE when THEY KNEW how dangerous it was and they did NOTHING."

    If everyone simply kept going to work, going to the gym, going out to eat and the movies while their kids went to daycare and school and every state saw a thousand children die of this shit everyone here would be singing a different song and it wouldn't be about the dangers of big brother locking us down.

    Last I checked, I was able to go to the grocery store, buy food, bring it home and eat it. My business is getting kicked in the pants because even though lots of people might want to buy a gun, I don't have a drive through option and PEOPLE are choosing to limit their exposure and not do an in person purchase.

    But just like I have a emergency supply of guns, ammo and food for "just in case" I also have a little bit of "cash on hand" just in case. Well "just in case" is happening right now. I hope everyone did the same and it's simply a hardship and not a "might lose everything" situation.

    Also I don't think anyone throwing words around like "police state" has ever seen one. I've seen the DDR, that was a police state. You felt it as soon as you checked in. China is a police state, they can't even complain on the internet without getting an official visit.

    We are in danger of becoming a "nanny state", but not nearly as bad as say England. And while there is some merit to yelling "bullshit" during these times as that helps prevent us from becoming a nanny state like England, you also have to think "what would happen if we DIDN'T do it this way."

    And if you really and truly have a better solution, you should be running for governor or applying for work with the CDC or something along those lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    In many respect that is true, but this is also a test run to see how effectively we can quarantine a particularly aggressive virus that we currently don't have a vaccine for.

    And I swear to god if Trump and state governors did NOTHING, Trump would be being impeached right now and HALF of this forum would be saying "the government did it ON PURPOSE when THEY KNEW how dangerous it was and they did NOTHING."

    If everyone simply kept going to work, going to the gym, going out to eat and the movies while their kids went to daycare and school and every state saw a thousand children die of this shit everyone here would be singing a different song and it wouldn't be about the dangers of big brother locking us down.

    Last I checked, I was able to go to the grocery store, buy food, bring it home and eat it. My business is getting kicked in the pants because even though lots of people might want to buy a gun, I don't have a drive through option and PEOPLE are choosing to limit their exposure and not do an in person purchase.

    But just like I have a emergency supply of guns, ammo and food for "just in case" I also have a little bit of "cash on hand" just in case. Well "just in case" is happening right now. I hope everyone did the same and it's simply a hardship and not a "might lose everything" situation.

    Also I don't think anyone throwing words around like "police state" has ever seen one. I've seen the DDR, that was a police state. You felt it as soon as you checked in. China is a police state, they can't even complain on the internet without getting an official visit.

    We are in danger of becoming a "nanny state", but not nearly as bad as say England. And while there is some merit to yelling "bullshit" during these times as that helps prevent us from becoming a nanny state like England, you also have to think "what would happen if we DIDN'T do it this way."

    And if you really and truly have a better solution, you should be running for governor or applying for work with the CDC or something along those lines.
    That's the thing though. Children weren't dying of this shit. That was already known. So was the fact that it was the elderly and pre-existing conditions people that needed to be watched out for....and they did the total lock down anyway. That is some runny horse shit right there.

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