Are We In A Police State?

[scooter22]

Did you actually read that?

It was based on 20 coughs, measured at 7 inches- and it halved the viral load, and didn't address velocity and carry at actual distances. It also only looked at that simple and flawed transmission model, and didn't even address the other side of the equation of protecting people. And it points out other issues to.

Cool. Now show me yours.

If masks work, then why is everything closed?

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

What a ridiculous comparison. So 300+ Million Americans are all typhoid Mary's? Right now 1.4% of all those tested at the COVID test site I work at come back positive. That isn't 1.4% of the population that is 1.4% of the highest risk patients or those showing symptoms that are swabbed. You do realize the mask won't protect you. Stop feeding the hysteria. If we follow your logic then every married man that doesn't use a condom every time he has sex with his wife is an irresponsible AIDS/HIV spreading weapon of mass destruction.

Straw man #1: Not 300 million, just the fraction that won’t wear a mask. Most people wear a mask at indoor public places. You can’t always know if your are a carrier.
1.4% means that a few people in the Kroger’s have it.
A mask isn’t perfect but even the linked article it reduces the viral load, provides inbound filtering and keeps people from touching their face with contaminated hands. This is a game of base hits, not home runs. It sure ain’t hurting.
Straw man#2: Your aids example is pretty weak. About the only thing you have right is ‘virus’.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Cool. Now show me yours.

If masks work, then why is everything closed?

Pervert...

Your article doesn’t prove what you think it does. It isn’t that mask are perfect. Are you saying, in contradiction to your own article, that masks have no effect?

Uhm, things are opening, and a lot of that is predicated on density and wearing masks.

[Life's a Hillary]

No it isn't, but to call out SWAT teams over it? To beat people in the street over it? To release violent felons from jail so they can make room for quarantine breakers?

I’m talking about taking the simple precaution of wearing masks when in public, not sure what that has to do with SWAT teams, beating people in the streets, or releasing violent felons.

[HardToHandle]

What a ridiculous comparison. So 300+ Million Americans are all typhoid Mary's? Right now 1.4% of all those tested at the COVID test site I work at come back positive. That isn't 1.4% of the population that is 1.4% of the highest risk patients or those showing symptoms that are swabbed. You do realize the mask won't protect you. Stop feeding the hysteria. If we follow your logic then every married man that doesn't use a condom every time he has sex with his wife is an irresponsible AIDS/HIV spreading weapon of mass destruction.

This current story resonated with me - basically a huge number of workers got sick, but from what I can tell, the plant did not close. My takeaway is (1) infection rates are going to vary dramatically by locality and (2) asymptomatic/well-enough people are going to spread readily. This makes me pretty tolerant of masks, but I always thought the Japanese way of personal responsibility and mask wear as smart. I would bet some folks disagree with that (except they’ve done relatively well in COVID).

“ More than 700 employees at a Tyson Foods meat factory in Perry, Iowa, have tested positive for the coronavirus as the nation braces for a possible meat shortage due to the pandemic.

An Iowa Department of Public Health report released Tuesday showed that 58 percent of the factory's workforce had tested positive for the virus, NBC affiliate WHO of Des Moines reported. Authorities said late last week that nearly 900 workers were confirmed to have the virus at a Tyson Foods plant in Indiana.“
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...virus-n1200641

[BoringGuy45]

I’m talking about taking the simple precaution of wearing masks when in public, not sure what that has to do with SWAT teams, beating people in the streets, or releasing violent felons.

The fact that all of the above have stemmed, in part, from quarantine/social distancing enforcement. I have no problem with using common sense and wearing a mask in public. I have no problem with both public and private buildings having "no mask=no entry" policies. It's the "shut the f*ck up and obey" attitude that many government officials have about wearing masks, among other quarantine ordinances, that is the problem. That some cities have passed rules that nobody is even allowed in their yards without a mask, and fines and jail time is the consequence, is a serious concern.

[Todd.K]

Fine, go ahead and spew all over the place. The best case is that you find out you had an asymptomatic case and wonder how many people you affected.

Wait a minute. Nobody is advocating going around "spewing" anything.

If you have symptoms, like a cough you should stay home, not just put a little minimally effective cloth over your face.

Lastly, as the study above shows and many of us already suspected, the outside of your mask is contaminated. The part I see most of you in the store touching all the time to adjust your mask.

[jsbhike]

I’m talking about taking the simple precaution of wearing masks when in public, not sure what that has to do with SWAT teams, beating people in the streets, or releasing violent felons.

Because all 3 have happened due to covid enforcement.

Not surprising since you seem to believe had blacks obeyed Jim Crow laws that those laws would have been repealed by the side using those laws against them out of ??? Good will??

[Life's a Hillary]

The fact that all of the above have stemmed, in part, from quarantine/social distancing enforcement. I have no problem with using common sense and wearing a mask in public. I have no problem with both public and private buildings having "no mask=no entry" policies. It's the "shut the f*ck up and obey" attitude that many government officials have about wearing masks, among other quarantine ordinances, that is the problem. That some cities have passed rules that nobody is even allowed in their yards without a mask, and fines and jail time is the consequence, is a serious concern.

No doubt it’s being politicized but that doesn’t change the fact that people should be taking the basic precautions out of respect for your fellow man.

Just because there are moron politicians abusing their power and using the shut up and obey attitude doesn’t mean we should react by going out and licking door knobs to own the libs. It’s okay to condemn those actions and still wear a mask to try and limit public spread.

[Life's a Hillary]

Because all 3 have happened due to covid enforcement.

Not surprising since you seem to believe had blacks obeyed Jim Crow laws that those laws would have been repealed by the side using those laws against them out of ??? Good will??

Yes, your suffering by wearing a mask in public is just like being treated poorly because of the color of your skin...