Are We In A Police State?

[SteyrAUG]

1) We don't need to quarantine healthy people.

2) What makes you think we'll create a vaccine? No vaccine currently exists for the common coronaviruses.

With the increased testing we see that the fatality rate is <1%. The lockdown was an overreaction from the beginning, and it's time to end it.

Social distancing and quarantine likely didn't do a damn thing other than destroy lives and the economy.

This is all coming from someone who has directly cared for critically ill COVID patients.

So seriously, you know how many people are irresponsibly stupid. If people could responsibly manage their own shit, the government wouldn't feel the need to do so.

In the early days of the shelter in place stuff, I know people who were having Corona parties like it was some kind of big goof. Not saying I fully support everything and there is some over reach for sure, but I swear some people actually think corona is fake news stuff like man made global climate change and it's nothing more than a conspiracy to control us that eventually leads to FEMA camps.

And I honestly don't know which group of stupid people is actually worse.

[SteyrAUG]

I'm sure Gavin Newson and J.B Priztker would agree.

Hey man, Anton LaVey would have DEFINITELY agreed with you so right on with the company you keep and such.

[TomMcC]

Hey man, Anton LaVey would have DEFINITELY agreed with you so right on with the company you keep and such.

Anton LeVey...no kidding...tell me ALL about it.

I forgot...what company do I keep?

[SteyrAUG]

Anton LeVey...no kidding...tell me ALL about it.

I forgot...what company do I keep?

Just agreeing with your premise that if you share similar views you must be exactly alike and....oh crap....I just agreed with you so that means we are both wrong or both right, but the main thing is you definitely hold similar views as LaVey. He was all about his rights...freedom of speech, religion and freedom from oppressive government, etc.

[Todd.K]

Look up the fatality rate of another coronavirus like SARS and especially MERS. Then tell me it's all some conspiracy to enslave you. MRES KILLS 35 PERCENT WHO ARE INFECTED, in case you can't we bothered to...

Most of the stay at home orders, based on what was known (and how much we knew we didn't know) at the time, were reasonable enough.

Now we know. The curve is unlikely to overwhelm our healthcare system if a quarter of NYC got infected that fast and didn't.

Government now has a HIGH bar to explain the necessity of continuing this.

[TomMcC]

Just agreeing with your premise that if you share similar views you must be exactly alike and....oh crap....I just agreed with you so that means we are both wrong or both right, but the main thing is you definitely hold similar views as LaVey. He was all about his rights...freedom of speech, religion and freedom from oppressive government, etc.

In context, your views of this present situation are quite similar to the two governors I mentioned. I didn't make a broad statement that your views on many other subjects are similar to the two governors. For instance gun control. As for LeVay, my views concerning what actual true liberty is would not even remotely be the same as his and if I was face to face with you and had a couple of hours to spare I could explain the vast and complete difference...but then do you really care?

So, is it LeVay I keep company with?

[TomMcC]

Look up the fatality rate of another coronavirus like SARS and especially MERS. Then tell me it's all some conspiracy to enslave you. MRES KILLS 35 PERCENT WHO ARE INFECTED, in case you can't we bothered to...

Most of the stay at home orders, based on what was known (and how much we knew we didn't know) at the time, were reasonable enough.

Now we know. The curve is unlikely to overwhelm our healthcare system if a quarter of NYC got infected that fast and didn't.

Government now has a HIGH bar to explain the necessity of continuing this.

I'm confused, where did the governments get these vast powers to order us to stay home, close our businesses?

[SteyrAUG]

In context, your views of this present situation are quite similar to the two governors I mentioned. I didn't make a broad statement that your views on many other subjects are similar to the two governors. For instance gun control. As for LeVay, my views concerning what actual true liberty is would not even remotely be the same as his and if I was face to face with you and had a couple of hours to spare I could explain the vast and complete difference...but then do you really care?

So, is it LeVay I keep company with?

I got that from the start, the LaVey thing was an ironic joke given that he probably would have had similar views. It was done to demonstrate that two people can agree on one issue but have little else in common.

I assumed you understood all of that and it wouldn't need to be explained in detail.

[TomMcC]

I got that from the start, the LaVey thing was an ironic joke given that he probably would have had similar views. It was done to demonstrate that two people can agree on one issue but have little else in common.

I assumed you understood all of that and it wouldn't need to be explained in detail.

OK, I'm not used to people on this board joking with me, in fact your's might be the first.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I'm confused, where did the governments get these vast powers to order us to stay home, close our businesses?

Public health in a time of a pandemic gives government pretty broad powers. That is as old as society itself. Granted that it should be a local thing not a national thing. That’s where we are lucky at least that we have somewhat of a Republican in control. I have no doubt that Hillary would’ve been dictating this thing from the top on down.

1) We don't need to quarantine healthy people.

2) What makes you think we'll create a vaccine? No vaccine currently exists for the common coronaviruses.

With the increased testing we see that the fatality rate is <1%. The lockdown was an overreaction from the beginning, and it's time to end it.

Social distancing and quarantine likely didn't do a damn thing other than destroy lives and the economy.

This is all coming from someone who has directly cared for critically ill COVID patients.

1. You don’t know who the sick and who the healthy people are and who is spreading it

2. I agree that a vaccine is not very likely especially if we’re talking in the timeframe of the coming winter season at the end of the year. First off we have to figure out if getting over an infection actually gives you protection from getting it again. It probably is so, but maybe not for everyone.

It is not just the death rate, it is the infection rate that is the real problem. It is more deadly than the standard flu and more contagious. That less than 1% is when we are in control of it. You lose control of itAnd it goes higher than that. You lose control and even if it only goes to two or 3%, all the sudden you were talking 10 million peopleOr basically dropping a nuclearBomb on Chicago.

First right off the get go, I think the government totally over reacted.

Now I will say in the governments defense the "experts" we going from the modeling that came out of the University of Washington, 100% bought and paid for by Bill Gates.

I agree with SteyrAUG, if President Trump didn't respond like he did and we started racking up tens of thousands of dead, he would be impeached for real this time.

I also go well beyond Prager, Democrats are the biggest threat to the future of the USA.

So in closing I will say, I think the Federal government did the best they could with faulty data, that came from Gates. But the time has come to open up the country.

If governors want to keep Americans locked down then revolt, open your stores all together. They cant arrest everyone.

When the best model we had was Northern Italy you had to do what we did. If New York had been replicated all up and down the East Coast And in the major cities out west, ugh...

I don’t know what’s going onBut Siri is getting bad With the transcribing. I blame all the mistakes on her