Ahmaud Arbery Shooting

[WillBrink]

This event is getting a lot of attention and pushed hard as a couple of racist white guys killing a black kid cuz they could, yada yada. The short fuzzy vid does not look good, but as always, it's tiny snap shot of an event. Story for those not awares:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ahmaud-...hooting-video/

I thought Tatum gives the event a worthy POV before leaping right to the narrative being pushed by the always race baiting media and such:

[chadbag]

That was interesting, Will. Thanks for posting that.

Sad story all around, and like Officer Tatum, I hope that we can find the actual facts of the matter.

[kwelz]

Not really much defending these guys. I haven't seen a single person I know on either side of the fence who doesn't think these two guys should be locked up for the rest of their lives.

Colion Noir did a good overview as well.

[WillBrink]

Not really much defending these guys. I haven't seen a single person I know on either side of the fence who doesn't think these two guys should be locked up for the rest of their lives.

Colion Noir did a good overview as well.

I saw it, and I liked his take on it, but I thought Tatum did a better job of examining it overall. Tatum can also discuss it from the LE POV, where as Colion can't. I thought it was very helpful on this one.

[kwelz]

I saw it, and I liked his take on it, but I thought Tatum did a better job of examining it overall. Tatum can also discuss it from the LE POV, where as Colion can't. I thought it was very helpful on this one.

Here is the problem with that though. This wasn't a LEO encounter. The outlook of a LEO is actually less relevant than it should be. This is far different than the Idiot in Indy who livestreamed himself running from the cops before getting smoked.

[jsbhike]

From what I have read on it so far, the McMichaels didn't witness him commit a felony so (based on my understanding of it) the citizen arrest angle is not valid.

The initial after action(once again, what little I have read) sounds like cronies at work.

[tb-av]

I saw it, and I liked his take on it, but I thought Tatum did a better job of examining it overall.

Tatum vid was way better.

Colion is stepping out for Youtube dollars. Quote... "When I watch the video ..... and he hadn't committed a crime" 03:05 of video above. How does he know that? He's right about a lot of other things he mentions in the video but it has little to do with this encounter.

I haven't seen much video. Maybe there is more out there but the fact a 3rd party has a "cell phone" video. A dash cam I can believe. Cell phone seems incredibly lucky.

The other thing I heard someone say was that the truck pulled past the jogger to stop in the road and stand waiting with a shotgun. Oh and while that happens the videographer shows up too. That really seems suspicious.

Finally you have a double yellow line road on a curve with multiple driveways and the suspected criminal running towards your barricade. WTF!
That whole thing is just so wrong. Most people would have pulled off the road. Shoulder, driveway, something. No one blocks rural roads on a curve. So I do agree with Colion there. A pickup truck blocking the road and the occupants outside with guns is a sign that they have taken charge of the location. They are now basically acting as LEO. They are controlling public roads with arms in hand.

It looks really bad to me. Citizens arrest.... you can expect to have that one written off the books now.

So the guy is dead because he resembled someone. It looks like to me he tried to keep jogging around the side of the truck into the driveway. It --seems-- like, as I can't see it, but it seems like the shotgun gun guy might have closed the gap on him as he did so. Another unnecessary confrontational move.

It just looks like cold blooded murder to me. So if you steal some chicken eggs in GA and you resemble another criminal the citizens can arm up, confront you, and if you don't play their game, they can kill you? Let's hope that's not where we are now.

chip, chip, chip away at the 2A. Aside from this situation those two guys need to go to jail for a couple of years just for general stupidity and lose their gun rights forever. This is Liberal gold.

Problem: Individual resembles crime spree suspect.
Solution: Call Police
--- Rural: Video with cell phone.
----- Don't have a camera: He's on foot, you have a truck.

How is this remotely a sling weapons and confront situation?

[kwelz]

Tatum vid was way better.

Colion is stepping out for Youtube dollars. Quote... "When I watch the video ..... and he hadn't committed a crime" 03:05 of video above. How does he know that? He's right about a lot of other things he mentions in the video but it has little to do with this encounter.

I haven't seen much video. Maybe there is more out there but the fact a 3rd party has a "cell phone" video. A dash cam I can believe. Cell phone seems incredibly lucky.

The other thing I heard someone say was that the truck pulled past the jogger to stop in the road and stand waiting with a shotgun. Oh and while that happens the videographer shows up too. That really seems suspicious.

Finally you have a double yellow line road on a curve with multiple driveways and the suspected criminal running towards your barricade. WTF!
That whole thing is just so wrong. Most people would have pulled off the road. Shoulder, driveway, something. No one blocks rural roads on a curve. So I do agree with Colion there. A pickup truck blocking the road and the occupants outside with guns is a sign that they have taken charge of the location. They are now basically acting as LEO. They are controlling public roads with arms in hand.

It looks really bad to me. Citizens arrest.... you can expect to have that one written off the books now.

So the guy is dead because he resembled someone. It looks like to me he tried to keep jogging around the side of the truck into the driveway. It --seems-- like, as I can't see it, but it seems like the shotgun gun guy might have closed the gap on him as he did so. Another unnecessary confrontational move.

It just looks like cold blooded murder to me. So if you steal some chicken eggs in GA and you resemble another criminal the citizens can arm up, confront you, and if you don't play their game, they can kill you? Let's hope that's not where we are now.

chip, chip, chip away at the 2A. Aside from this situation those two guys need to go to jail for a couple of years just for general stupidity and lose their gun rights forever. This is Liberal gold.

Problem: Individual resembles crime spree suspect.
Solution: Call Police
--- Rural: Video with cell phone.
----- Don't have a camera: He's on foot, you have a truck.

How is this remotely a sling weapons and confront situation?

Guy who took the video has been arrested as well. He was a friend of the shooters apparently and was part of their little posse.

[C-grunt]

A few things.

1. People go in new builds under construction all the time like Kwels said above.

2. Here in AZ if I wanted to charge someone for doing so I'd be either charging 2nd or 3rd degree trespassing. It kinda fits both. Both are low level misdemeanors. And unless there were some prior history or other circumstances involved, I don't think any prosecutor would even take the case.

3. If you are going to use the defense that you saw him on video committing a burglary several days prior, you better hope that's some 4k quality video and Arbery walked by the camera and flashed his drivers license at it. Even then I still see charges being pressed against the shooter though I could see it dropping to some sort of manslaughter.

[tb-av]

Guy who took the video has been arrested as well. He was a friend of the shooters apparently and was part of their little posse.

Now that I can believe.

Sounds like a trap. Cameraman was also the "nope, you are not coming back this way either" part of the story.

If that's the case then it's premeditated. If they were not acting together then there was some serious coincidental action going on that day.