Ahmaud Arbery Shooting

**mrbieler** · 05-10-20, 10:06

Just watched the across the street security cam footage of Ahmaud Arbery at the construction site before the dynamic duo chased him down. If this is all the "probable cause" these two idiots need to justify an armed confrontation with a stranger, the world will be a better place with them behind bars.

This is nothing like the Zimmerman shooting.

**Business_Casual** · 05-10-20, 10:28

Originally Posted by kwelz

Ohhh A Youtube video. Well I am convinced..

The guy is a white supremacist and you are using him to try to convince people?

Where did I say I was trying to convince anyone of anything? I merely said that I found it interesting.

What I also find interesting is your immediate response is to use an ad hominem attack, not give a critique of his ideas.

**ChattanoogaPhil** · 05-10-20, 10:31

Originally Posted by jsbhike

Does everyone have to be shot at first before fighting back?

It's not 'fighting back' when the person initiates the fight as Waycross District Attorney George Barnhill, asserts. “Arbery initiated the fight. ... At that point, Arbery grabbed the shotgun (that Travis McMichael was holding). Under Georgia law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.”

**jsbhike** · 05-10-20, 10:41

Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil

It's not 'fighting back' when the person initiates the fight as Waycross District Attorney George Barnhill, asserts. “Arbery initiated the fight. ... At that point, Arbery grabbed the shotgun (that Travis McMichael was holding). Under Georgia law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.”

You need to take it up with:

Originally Posted by Core781

I could not hear audio, so I could not determine if Arbery was shot at prior to advancing? If so, he had a right to fight. If not, he did so recklessly and attempted to attack and disarm the man on the street. .

**jsbhike** · 05-10-20, 10:53

Video of Travis McMichael on the driver's side, Arbery going passenger side, then the fight starting in front of the truck. Starts around 0:14.

**WillBrink** · 05-10-20, 10:54

Originally Posted by jsbhike

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/3102505001/

"Arbery, 25, was killed in February about 2 miles from his home in a neighborhood outside Brunswick, Georgia."

Thanx. This seems to be under some dispute, but I will assume 2m is accurate until I see further details.

Originally Posted by kwelz

I just saw this picture pop up on FB. It is reported to be the father.

I will say it looks a lot like him. However I have never had a great eye for this sort of thing. Thoughts? Does it look like him to anyone?

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Meh, seen one middle age white dude with a beard you kinda seen em all. Kidding aside, looks like him sure, but until I see confirmation, it's noise to push the race card thing. If is him, well then he's made his own bed on that one.

Originally Posted by Core781

I watched a video before it got pulled down from YouTube. The video does not look good for Arbery. I realize the video is only part of the story, and I also realize the father and son should not have been resorting to vigilantism.

Purely from observing the video: Arbery, postured and closed significant ground towards the two gunmen. When he reached the truck he advanced to the son and attacked him and attempted to disarm him. I could not hear audio, so I could not determine if Arbery was shot at prior to advancing? If so, he had a right to fight. If not, he did so recklessly and attempted to attack and disarm the man on the street. This displays means and intent and warrants defense of one's life and also warrants the father in defending his son and subsequently himself if Arbery had obtained the shotgun.

Arbery was 15 miles from home: that's a 30mile run. I used to a routinely run 20 miles total, but not 30 or 40 because it takes a hell of a lot out of you to surpass marathon distances. I'm not saying it's impossible, but unlikely. I also witnessed Arbery's running gate, and he did not appear to have good running form. A person who runs 30miles routinely has good form. Just my observations.

I was trained in the military to survive in hostile environments, and I did so for a number of years: Arbery was clearly not. If he was being "run down" and chased, he should have stopped and remained calm and called the police. And attempted to calmly discuss his way out of the situation and waited for police. Or possibly bolted off the road to find cover if they shot at him. Running towards an armed threat is the worst thing anyone could do. He may have panicked, or did not realize what to do? I don;t know anythign about Arbery but choosing to attack the armed men was a fatal mistake.

These are strange times, and people wanting to protect their communities is a right, not a privilege. Robberies often result in homicides, and the vulnerable get killed in their own homes. I'm not justifying the father and son chasing down Arbery but I can't help but wonder if Arbery had not attacked the son, after having advanced to their position, that he would be alive. And it would have been laughed off as a misunderstanding?

We need to view the evidence and not try these guys on public opinion. If they shot at him prior to him advancing upon them, I say get a rope and hang them both. But otherwise it appears to be a clear cut case of self defense. They can be charged with minor crimes but murder would not be one. Hate me all you want, but the video I watched several times, was clear.

15 or 2? If 15, that's specious yes. Needs to be narrowed down. Im not LE or an attorney, but I'm thinking it all comes down to whether they had the legal right by GA law to confront him as they did or not. If yes, it can be argued Arbery actually initiated the physical contact and maybe get a jury to view it as SD. If not, then does it matter who initiated the physical contact? I'm not sure, but I'm still wondering how an ex LEO would not know the law there. Did they have the legal right under GA law to confront him in such a manner or not? That seems to me where this all starts, and the rest broken down from there.

Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil

It's not 'fighting back' when the person initiates the fight as Waycross District Attorney George Barnhill, asserts. “Arbery initiated the fight. ... At that point, Arbery grabbed the shotgun (that Travis McMichael was holding). Under Georgia law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.”

That's a tough one. If Arbery decided his life was in danger and a couple of good old boys had run him down cuz he was black, and he decided he should go down fighting, and they were not within their legal rights to stop him, I'm having a difficult time putting the blame on Arbery there.

It's chit event all around. The aspect that continues to stick in my craw is that the shooter was long time LEO and seemingly had a solid idea of the legality of those actions. It makes me feel like we are missing some piece of the puzzle.

**jsbhike** · 05-10-20, 10:57

Originally Posted by WillBrink

Thanx. This seems to be under some dispute, but I will assume 2m is accurate until I see further details.

Meh, seen one middle age white dude with a beard you kinda seen em all. Kidding aside, looks like him sure, but until I see confirmation, it's noise to push the rave card thing. If is him, well then he's made his own bed on that one.

15 or 2? If 15, that's specious yes. Needs to be narrowed down. Im not LE or an attorney, but I'm thinking it all comes down to whether they had the legal right by GA law to confront him as they did or not. If yes, it can be argued Arbery actually initiated the physical contact and maybe get a jury to view it as SD. If not, then does it matter who initiated the physical contact? I'm not sure, but I'm still wondering how an ex LEO would not know the law there. Did they have the legal right under GA law to confront him in such a manner or not? That seems to me where this all starts, and the rest broken down from there.

That's a tough one. If Arbery decided his life was in danger and a couple of good old boys had run him down cuz he was black, and he decided he should go down fighting, and they were not within their legal rights to stop him, I'm having a difficult time putting the blame on Arbery there.

It's chit event all around. The aspect that continues to stick in my craw is that the shooter was long time LEO and seemingly had a solid idea of the legality of those actions. It makes me feel like we are missing some piece of the puzzle.

I haven't seen anything indicating what Travis McMichael's (the shotgun shooter) occupation is/was.

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**WillBrink** · 05-10-20, 11:17

Originally Posted by jsbhike

I haven't seen anything indicating what Travis McMichael's (the shotgun shooter) occupation is/was.

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Been mentioned a bunch, ret LEO apparently.

**jsbhike** · 05-10-20, 11:27

Originally Posted by WillBrink

Been mentioned a bunch, ret LEO apparently.

That would be Gregory McMichael who was on the truck bed.

Travis McMichael had the shotgun, started out on the driver's side of the truck while Arbery is running towards the truck, then ends up at the front of the truck as Arbery runs down the passenger side.