Ahmaud Arbery Shooting

[jsbhike]

I just saw this picture pop up on FB. It is reported to be the father.

I will say it looks a lot like him. However I have never had a great eye for this sort of thing. Thoughts? Does it look like him to anyone?

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Not seeing what appears to be a left forearm tat.

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/mobil...d-3e0eea468989

[kwelz]

Now that I can believe.

Sounds like a trap. Cameraman was also the "nope, you are not coming back this way either" part of the story.

If that's the case then it's premeditated. If they were not acting together then there was some serious coincidental action going on that day.

I may have to walk that back. I swear I saw he had been arrested but now all I see is that he is being investigated. Sorry for the misinformation.

[Core781]

I watched a video before it got pulled down from YouTube. The video does not look good for Arbery. I realize the video is only part of the story, and I also realize the father and son should not have been resorting to vigilantism.

Purely from observing the video: Arbery, postured and closed significant ground towards the two gunmen. When he reached the truck he advanced to the son and attacked him and attempted to disarm him. I could not hear audio, so I could not determine if Arbery was shot at prior to advancing? If so, he had a right to fight. If not, he did so recklessly and attempted to attack and disarm the man on the street. This displays means and intent and warrants defense of one's life and also warrants the father in defending his son and subsequently himself if Arbery had obtained the shotgun.

Arbery was 15 miles from home: that's a 30mile run. I used to a routinely run 20 miles total, but not 30 or 40 because it takes a hell of a lot out of you to surpass marathon distances. I'm not saying it's impossible, but unlikely. I also witnessed Arbery's running gate, and he did not appear to have good running form. A person who runs 30miles routinely has good form. Just my observations.

I was trained in the military to survive in hostile environments, and I did so for a number of years: Arbery was clearly not. If he was being "run down" and chased, he should have stopped and remained calm and called the police. And attempted to calmly discuss his way out of the situation and waited for police. Or possibly bolted off the road to find cover if they shot at him. Running towards an armed threat is the worst thing anyone could do. He may have panicked, or did not realize what to do? I don;t know anythign about Arbery but choosing to attack the armed men was a fatal mistake.


These are strange times, and people wanting to protect their communities is a right, not a privilege. Robberies often result in homicides, and the vulnerable get killed in their own homes. I'm not justifying the father and son chasing down Arbery but I can't help but wonder if Arbery had not attacked the son, after having advanced to their position, that he would be alive. And it would have been laughed off as a misunderstanding?

We need to view the evidence and not try these guys on public opinion. If they shot at him prior to him advancing upon them, I say get a rope and hang them both. But otherwise it appears to be a clear cut case of self defense. They can be charged with minor crimes but murder would not be one. Hate me all you want, but the video I watched several times, was clear.

[Leuthas]

Ohhh A Youtube video. Well I am convinced..

The guy is a white supremacist and you are using him to try to convince people?

I recall seeing some of that guy's history videos years ago. After a quick search, I don't see anything showing he's a white supremacist, other than the expected CBS article and SPLC laying that accusation without evidence.

Unfortunately for him, I also don't want to look at his face through a 46 minute video.


I'm off topic, nevermind.

[jsbhike]

I watched a video before it got pulled down from YouTube. The video does not look good for Arbery. I realize the video is only part of the story, and I also realize the father and son should not have been resorting to vigilantism.

Purely from observing the video: Arbery, postured and closed significant ground towards the two gunmen. When he reached the truck he advanced to the son and attacked him and attempted to disarm him. I could not hear audio, so I could not determine if Arbery was shot at prior to advancing? If so, he had a right to fight. If not, he did so recklessly and attempted to attack and disarm the man on the street. This displays means and intent and warrants defense of one's life and also warrants the father in defending his son and subsequently himself if Arbery had obtained the shotgun.

Arbery was 15 miles from home: that's a 30mile run. I used to a routinely run 20 miles total, but not 30 or 40 because it takes a hell of a lot out of you to surpass marathon distances. I'm not saying it's impossible, but unlikely. I also witnessed Arbery's running gate, and he did not appear to have good running form. A person who runs 30miles routinely has good form. Just my observations.

I was trained in the military to survive in hostile environments, and I did so for a number of years: Arbery was clearly not. If he was being "run down" and chased, he should have stopped and remained calm and called the police. And attempted to calmly discuss his way out of the situation and waited for police. Or possibly bolted off the road to find cover if they shot at him. Running towards an armed threat is the worst thing anyone could do. He may have panicked, or did not realize what to do? I don;t know anythign about Arbery but choosing to attack the armed men was a fatal mistake.


These are strange times, and people wanting to protect their communities is a right, not a privilege. Robberies often result in homicides, and the vulnerable get killed in their own homes. I'm not justifying the father and son chasing down Arbery but I can't help but wonder if Arbery had not attacked the son, after having advanced to their position, that he would be alive. And it would have been laughed off as a misunderstanding?

We need to view the evidence and not try these guys on public opinion. If they shot at him prior to him advancing upon them, I say get a rope and hang them both. But otherwise it appears to be a clear cut case of self defense. They can be charged with minor crimes but murder would not be one. Hate me all you want, but the video I watched several times, was clear.

Does everyone have to be shot at first before fighting back?

[ChattanoogaPhil]

A friend and I were just discussing the similarities in these two cases.
Sad but True, I just wish people knew when to think before getting a gun involved. Honestly, I'm not the guy to call the Cops, I would much rather deal with my problems without a call to 911 and asking for an armed mediator to get himself involved in my business.
These two knuckleheads went from zero to complete retard in .4 seconds.

Right.

And similar to the Zimmerman case, many were convinced that Zimmerman was guilty because he shouldn't have been following Martin, profiled Martin as a criminal because he was black, and allegations that Zimmerman acted out of racism. Much of the commentary in this thread are a near carbon copy.

[jsbhike]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/3102505001/

"Arbery, 25, was killed in February about 2 miles from his home in a neighborhood outside Brunswick, Georgia."

In the video, Travis McMichael can be seen on the driver's side of the truck, Arbery goes down the passenger side, then next they are fighting in front of the truck indicating McMichael moved towards the route Arbery was taking.

[jsbhike]

Right.

And similar to the Zimmerman case, many were convinced that Zimmerman was guilty because he shouldn't have been following Martin, profiled Martin as a criminal because he was black, and allegations that Zimmerman acted out of racism. Much of the commentary in this thread are a near carbon copy.

And Zimmerman had a relationship with Sanford PD who proved a year or so before they would attempt to cover for family.

[TMS951]

If I watched a man rob my neighbors house I would not arm myself and hunt him down. He’s no threat to me, or my property.

I’d arm myself to protect my property. I’d watch him while I called the police and reported the robbery.

Maybe, maybe I’d try following him at a distance (trying to avoid him knowing I was following) to keep tabs on him until the police arrrived. While doing so I’d continue to be on the phone with 911.

So when some one arms up leaves thier property to pursue a stranger and engages them on a public street. Nope nope nope. As far as I’m concerned the first instance of aggression was when they started to pursue him. Criminal or not he was being hunted down by private citizens.


As to Zimmerman and Martin. Zimmerman was already out of his home patrolling. To my memory the weapon did not come out until Martin engaged him. Crimes had been reported in that community.

[BoringGuy45]

I watched a video before it got pulled down from YouTube. The video does not look good for Arbery. I realize the video is only part of the story, and I also realize the father and son should not have been resorting to vigilantism.

Purely from observing the video: Arbery, postured and closed significant ground towards the two gunmen. When he reached the truck he advanced to the son and attacked him and attempted to disarm him. I could not hear audio, so I could not determine if Arbery was shot at prior to advancing? If so, he had a right to fight. If not, he did so recklessly and attempted to attack and disarm the man on the street. This displays means and intent and warrants defense of one's life and also warrants the father in defending his son and subsequently himself if Arbery had obtained the shotgun.

Arbery was 15 miles from home: that's a 30mile run. I used to a routinely run 20 miles total, but not 30 or 40 because it takes a hell of a lot out of you to surpass marathon distances. I'm not saying it's impossible, but unlikely. I also witnessed Arbery's running gate, and he did not appear to have good running form. A person who runs 30miles routinely has good form. Just my observations.

I was trained in the military to survive in hostile environments, and I did so for a number of years: Arbery was clearly not. If he was being "run down" and chased, he should have stopped and remained calm and called the police. And attempted to calmly discuss his way out of the situation and waited for police. Or possibly bolted off the road to find cover if they shot at him. Running towards an armed threat is the worst thing anyone could do. He may have panicked, or did not realize what to do? I don;t know anythign about Arbery but choosing to attack the armed men was a fatal mistake.


These are strange times, and people wanting to protect their communities is a right, not a privilege. Robberies often result in homicides, and the vulnerable get killed in their own homes. I'm not justifying the father and son chasing down Arbery but I can't help but wonder if Arbery had not attacked the son, after having advanced to their position, that he would be alive. And it would have been laughed off as a misunderstanding?

We need to view the evidence and not try these guys on public opinion. If they shot at him prior to him advancing upon them, I say get a rope and hang them both. But otherwise it appears to be a clear cut case of self defense. They can be charged with minor crimes but murder would not be one. Hate me all you want, but the video I watched several times, was clear.

So, if a random, armed guy comes up to you and attempts to hold you at gunpoint, you're just supposed to comply?? Well, there goes any argument for concealed carry, because apparently, self defense turns the concealed carrier into the aggressor because they're supposed to cooperate with armed threats!

Seriously, think about it: What was Arbery supposed to think? How was he supposed to know they weren't just going to shoot him if he tried to escape? How was he supposed to know they wouldn't shoot him if he surrendered? How was he suppose to know that they weren't planning on kidnapping him or robbing him?