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    I'll test them!

    Quote Originally Posted by NickB View Post
    We had a record low of -18F a few weeks back and that made me want to leave the state...I don't know how you do it.

    Nick. I am retired LE and have a "Very" flexible schedule. I train weekly myself and still instruct LE training. I have a track record of running equipment hard and have broken my share in the last 25 years, I've even been given a moniker because I break shit. I don't intentionally abuse, but do run gear HARD! If you where to send me P Mags of each color I would be happy to do photo and written documentation of said mags in cold weather testing.

    I took Chris and Travis' Dynamic carbine 1&2 last summer here in Alaska, they can vouch for me. (The big guy in the middle, if they remember)

    With this said I have run OD, Black and FDE P Mags in sub zero, ejecting them onto cement as well a frozen pit run gravel W/O a failure yet, and some of these are gen 1 mags. I can honestly say that I have bent and broken more USGI mags by dropping and stepping on them than P Mags.

    if interested PM me.

    Until that day,
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    I only have 2 Pmags, bought them before I went to Iraq the last trip (yes they went with me). Love them and plan on buying many more as soon as $$ frees itself up somewhat. How can you tell what gen they are? And what gen are y'all on now?
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    To the OP. From shooting my rifle side by side with a buddy's on a cold winter day I can tell you the Magpul trigger guard is definitely a worthwhile upgrade. It gave me just that extra amount of room to shoot comfortably with heavy gloves on.

    As far as the pmags in -30 or whatever weather. I feel more than comfortable with my pmags in all situations. If its that cold outside and me, my rifle, and mags are outside in it--well it doesn't really matter if the mags work or not. I'm already dead because I've built a fire that gave away my position and whatever I might shoot has already got the drop on me as I'm in the fetal position shivering by the fire.

    ETA: Oh and while people are begging for gear to T&E, I'll take one of those swanky Magpul lowers
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    P Mags, Pmags, P mags...... Just go get some Lancers. I've owned P Mags, and honestly had no problems with them whatsoever, but I get so sick of hearing about them. I am running Lancers since last Winter and have had zero issues with them. I just like them more since they have the STEEL REINFORCED lips. I go out to shoot when I feel like it, not when the weather says to. I live out in the sticks, so I shoot at night, rain, sleet, etc: The coldest it got this year hear in Vermont was actually pretty warm for these parts.
    Just sayin', Lancers are underrated. Check out some of the tests they ran during the R&D for the Lancers. They have a banner on this forum. Another good thing is that they are inexpensive, so you can buy more of them. Sorry, I guess I have found what works for me, so I'm offering my opinion.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5PGfUVK3Os
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus L. View Post
    Alaskapopo,

    Any more testing with the PMAGs in extreme cold? I don't think it is a possibility for me in my present location, but a couple of years ago I was working nights in Montana with -40 temperatures and I might go somewhere cold again. Also, it was mentioned that certain PMAG colors might be more tough than others. Any truth to this?
    I am going to Fairbanks on February 12 -14th during that time I will do some cold weather testing. The Troopers have had some issues with their tests on P Mags. Mostly feed lips cracking is what I have been told. But I have not seen the actual mags. Just word of mouth from a few friends of mine on SERT team. Magpul has been great to them however and has sent a lot more replacement mags for testing to see what the problem is. I will post my video results sometime after the 15th of February. Now just pray for a a cold day in Fairbanks. I am also going to test a few Lancer mags, an ARC mag and a GI mag as a reference. Any ideas you guys have for abusing these things in the cold will be done. So send me some ideas.
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    Any ideas you guys have for abusing these things in the cold will be done. So send me some ideas.
    Pat[/QUOTE]

    Pat, I don't know if abusing mags is very beneficial, but how about videoing 20-40 each speed reloads for each color? Also use a couple USGI mags as a control. Do it with empty and partial mags, dropping them to cement and frozen dirt or snow depending on what's available in FBX. After the drop test check for damage. Hopefully FBX will will be having a very cold snap while your there. I wouldn't be surprised if the GI mags become damaged before the Pmags.

    Good luck

    Until that day,
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    Exclamation

    Quote Originally Posted by Darkop View Post
    Any ideas you guys have for abusing these things in the cold will be done. So send me some ideas.
    Pat

    How about just reinforcing the feed lips? Seemed to work on the Lancer product. Is Magpul too good for that? After all, even Orlite mags are reinforced. Just don't buy them if they are below series 21.
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    It's only been down to minus 40 F once, so far, this winter.
    I don't think anyone was out shooting. I have lubed my
    AR with some G.I. stuff called LAW, then wiped most of it
    off. Coldest temp that I shot it was minus 20F. Also, heavy
    loose mittens with liner gloves work fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carne Frio View Post
    It's only been down to minus 40 F once, so far, this winter.
    I don't think anyone was out shooting. I have lubed my
    AR with some G.I. stuff called LAW, then wiped most of it
    off. Coldest temp that I shot it was minus 20F. Also, heavy
    loose mittens with liner gloves work fine.
    When I worked in Bethel I shot a handgun qualificaiton in -30 below weather.
    Pat
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    Hey Pat, did you ever get a chance to finish this test? I did some testing with 20 rounders but it was only -10 up country. experienced no problems dropping onto roadway. I did have 55 grain tap all over hell and back though :-)

    Until that day,
    Darkop

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