Alan Dershowitz says the state has every right to ‘plunge a needle into your arm’ and

[ABNAK]

The childhood ones I have no problem with.

That said, I do not get flu shots. My wife is an RN and when she gets a patient admitted for the flu she always asks "Did you get the flu shot?". Every single one answers "Yes". Anecdotal for sure and a sample of one person's inquiries, but enough for me. The biggest reason is that my dad began developing symptoms of what eventually killed him within two weeks of getting a flu shot. He died of CIDP, which is a disease "cousin" to Guillain-Barre (in fact there is a "Guillain-Barre/CIDP Foundation", so they are closely related). GB is what started happening after Swine Flu inoculations were given in the late 70's. There is no proven or unproven genetic link as to whether I have a propensity for it being related to my dad. I'll err on the side of caution. Besides, they swear up and down the flu shot doesn't make you "sick", yet everyone I know says they feel like crap for a day or two when they get one. I'll take my chances thank you very much. Ever wonder why many places of employment want to give them on a Friday?

Now a COVID vaccine? I'll let it be Beta-tested for quite a while first. I won't be anywhere near the front of the line for sure.

Here's something else to ponder: will the entities forcing this be financially liable if you get GB or CIDP? Can you (or your surviving family) sue the living shit out of ANYONE involved? i.e. the vaccine manufacturer, the distributor, and the employer forcing you to take it? If not then maybe you ought to wonder why that is.....

[yoni]

ABNAK, why do you think the Republicans are pushing for business to be immune from Corona related law suits.Billions of dollars to be made world wide for a Corona vaccine, but getting a class action law suit would ruin your bottom line.

Then you have leaders that want you to get chipped at the same time you get vaccinated.

The whole thing is smelling riper than a barn yard in August.

[Zane1844]

The Army made me get the smallpox vaccine and that was one of the worst sicknesses I've had. They, of course, gave it to us the day before leave...

I never get the flu shot as a civilian and I've never had a terrible flu. I won't get this new vaccine unless my work forces me- I'm DoD civ- and I don't think people should be forced.

[1168]

The childhood ones I have no problem with.

That said, I do not get flu shots. My wife is an RN and when she gets a patient admitted for the flu she always asks "Did you get the flu shot?". Every single one answers "Yes". Anecdotal for sure and a sample of one person's inquiries, but enough for me. The biggest reason is that my dad began developing symptoms of what eventually killed him within two weeks of getting a flu shot. He died of CIDP, which is a disease "cousin" to Guillain-Barre (in fact there is a "Guillain-Barre/CIDP Foundation", so they are closely related). GB is what started happening after Swine Flu inoculations were given in the late 70's. There is no proven or unproven genetic link as to whether I have a propensity for it being related to my dad. I'll err on the side of caution. Besides, they swear up and down the flu shot doesn't make you "sick", yet everyone I know says they feel like crap for a day or two when they get one. I'll take my chances thank you very much. Ever wonder why many places of employment want to give them on a Friday?

Now a COVID vaccine? I'll let it be Beta-tested for quite a while first. I won't be anywhere near the front of the line for sure.

Here's something else to ponder: will the entities forcing this be financially liable if you get GB or CIDP? Can you (or your surviving family) sue the living shit out of ANYONE involved? i.e. the vaccine manufacturer, the distributor, and the employer forcing you to take it? If not then maybe you ought to wonder why that is.....

My experience has been the opposite. Nearly every patient I’ve gotten with the flu in the past few years has not gotten the shot. A few have, but most haven’t. In fact, most of my suspected flu cases that had gotten the shot were early this year....

[Dr. Bullseye]

Someone should remind Alan the Constitution is about INDIVIDUAL rights, not group rights. You are never under an obligation to undergo a medical procedure to protect someone else.

[ABNAK]

ABNAK, why do you think the Republicans are pushing for business to be immune from Corona related law suits.Billions of dollars to be made world wide for a Corona vaccine, but getting a class action law suit would ruin your bottom line.

Then you have leaders that want you to get chipped at the same time you get vaccinated.

The whole thing is smelling riper than a barn yard in August.

I think the intent of that was to prevent someone from suing, say, a concert venue, bar, theater, etc. if you contracted the virus because they didn't "take proper precautions". I think any possible vaccine liabilities were outside the scope of those proposals at the time they were made. Now can they be included in that type of legislation? You betcha.

[Diamondback]

I think the intent of that was to prevent someone from suing, say, a concert venue, bar, theater, etc. if you contracted the virus because they didn't "take proper precautions". I think any possible vaccine liabilities were outside the scope of those proposals at the time they were made. Now can they be included in that type of legislation? You betcha.

OTOH, once a bill becomes law any intent not explicitly stated in its text is considered irrelevant by the courts, like 14th Amdt with anchor-babies.

[SHIVAN]

Unless you require vaccinations, you don't achieve herd immunity....

This is scientifically false, and you probably know that.....or maybe you don't.

[Averageman]

This is scientifically false, and you probably know that.....or maybe you don't.

MMMMMMmmmm Hmmm.

[Honu]

I had giardia, but not third world: San Diego. I also had cholera, and I had the vaccine.

I get the flu vaccine because my boss tells me I have to. If my institution did not require it, I probably wouldn't. The whole risk management matrix and all.

Also deciding what vaccines should/should not be mandatory is a slippery slope of power grabbing vs personal/parental authority. My kids have some vaccines, but not all vaccines. They will not get a CV vaccine.

yeah not fun to get for sure

Maui had a huge problem with Dengue about 15 years ago and also had about 3 or more cases of the flesh eating disease going on so even in our clean 1st world we have stuff