Deck Oil

[26 Inf]

I rebuilding a Cedar and Pressure treated lumber fence and would feel a lot better if when completed I could treat it with a product that will help it last a little longer.
Any ideas?

THCDDM4 pretty well covered it in his posts.

[THCDDM4]

What about new wood outdoor furniture and a new cedar framed gazebo? Lots of products out there. I was looking at Thompsons crap because I don't know any better...now looking at the TWP and Sikkens stuff, the options have grown. Recommended surface prep on otherwise new furniture for these products looks like a pita also.

This is where the general finishes outdoor oil shines, on outdoor furniture. It is good on decks as well, but a little pricey for not being too much ahead of the TWP and other offerings.

For furniture it is really an awesome product that can't be beat, and you don't need gallons of it (Unless you got a ton of furniture) so it doesn't break the bank too much.

It's all in the prep. Follow instructions and test it out once or twice on something other than your expensive patio furniture first so you know how to work with the product and can get the hang of it before causing yourself more work.

I highly recommend staying away from Thompsons. It performs very poorly across the board.

[THCDDM4]

What about new wood outdoor furniture and a new cedar framed gazebo? Lots of products out there. I was looking at Thompsons crap because I don't know any better...now looking at the TWP and Sikkens stuff, the options have grown. Recommended surface prep on otherwise new furniture for these products looks like a pita also.

Fences require a little less maintenance (Sometimes) than decks, but it is still wise to retreat them every 3-6 years depending on wear. If you have a top/horizontal rail like a 2X6, treat that yearly.

Pressure wash and choose a good stain with a top coat to protect. If needed use a cleaner and brightener to bring some life back into it prior to staining and top coating.

[Adrenaline_6]

This is where the general finishes outdoor oil shines, on outdoor furniture. It is good on decks as well, but a little pricey for not being too much ahead of the TWP and other offerings.

For furniture it is really an awesome product that can't be beat, and you don't need gallons of it (Unless you got a ton of furniture) so it doesn't break the bank too much.

It's all in the prep. Follow instructions and test it out once or twice on something other than your expensive patio furniture first so you know how to work with the product and can get the hang of it before causing yourself more work.

I highly recommend staying away from Thompsons. It performs very poorly across the board.

I was thinking oil as well. Little prep and just clean and reapply when it's time to re-treat. What do you recommend? I saw the Sikkens Cetol SF 733. I also saw the Penofin Red and Blue label oils. The wood furniture isn't that expensive. Right now...2 $150 rocking chairs. The gazebo hasn't arrived yet...will be here this week and I have to put it together. It is a small 8' x 8' cedar framed gazebo with a vented steel roof.

The Florida sun is the force the wood will be facing.

[THCDDM4]

I was thinking oil as well. Little prep and just clean and reapply when it's time to re-treat. What do you recommend? I saw the Sikkens Cetol SF 733. I also saw the Penofin Red and Blue label oils. The wood furniture isn't that expensive. Right now...2 $150 rocking chairs. The gazebo hasn't arrived yet...will be here this week and I have to put it together. It is a small 8' x 8' cedar framed gazebo with a vented steel roof.

The Florida sun is the force the wood will be facing.

I believe the 733 is the semi-gloss. I’m stick to a satin finish. The semi gloss tends to protect well, but the sheen breaks down faster and peels pretty bad in direct sunlight. Satin needs a bit more maintenance but won’t have the sheen breakdown/peeling like semi gloss will.

The general finishes outdoor oil in satin or sikkens cetol in satin finish would be my suggestion.

I prefer to use a cloth and apply until the wood is fully saturated and won’t accept any more oil. Don’t drench it, apply slowly and evenly over and over until you get full saturation.

[Adrenaline_6]

I believe the 733 is the semi-gloss. I’m stick to a satin finish. The semi gloss tends to protect well, but the sheen breaks down faster and peels pretty bad in direct sunlight. Satin needs a bit more maintenance but won’t have the sheen breakdown/peeling like semi gloss will.

The general finishes outdoor oil in satin or sikkens cetol in satin finish would be my suggestion.

I prefer to use a cloth and apply until the wood is fully saturated and won’t accept any more oil. Don’t drench it, apply slowly and evenly over and over until you get full saturation.

Awesome...thanks for the help and suggestions. The Cetol oil came only in that one style for brushing and rag application so that makes General Finishes the easy pick. Not too bad price wise...a gallon is a little over $20 although the shipping is probably high. I will try and find it locally first.

Edit: $20 was for a quart. $67/gallon on Amazon..free,shipping. Still can't complain.

[SteyrAUG]

Ok, I have a very similar issue. The siding of my house is cedar and the previous owners have been using Sikkens Cetol SRD every two years to protect it.

Is that still what I want to be using? Is there something better? Is there something a little more idiot proof? For example can I use the Woodrich Timber Oil Deep Penetrating Wood Stain mentioned on page one or is that a bad idea.

[THCDDM4]

Ok, I have a very similar issue. The siding of my house is cedar and the previous owners have been using Sikkens Cetol SRD every two years to protect it.

Is that still what I want to be using? Is there something better? Is there something a little more idiot proof? For example can I use the Woodrich Timber Oil Deep Penetrating Wood Stain mentioned on page one or is that a bad idea.

Sikkens Cetol SRD is good quality stuff for cedar siding. They key is getting full saturation. Applying evenly and slowly until the wood will not accept any more product. Don't drench the wood, just apply smoothly and slowly/multiple runs. If you get an airless sprayer, go with very low pressure and multiple wet runs/applications.

I prefer to have this applied with an airless sprayer and then backrolled with a thick nap roller. Helps to push the stain into the cedar. The rougher the cedar the more important the backroll is when applying.

I'm not a huge fan of brushes, it gets the job done, but takes forever and has no added benefit except brushes are fairly cheap compared to an airless sprayer. Especially if DIY.

Most painting companies just don't stain to full saturation, unfortunately, and some people who DIY don't do it out of not knowing to do so.

As long as a high quality product has been used in the past, it's good to keep with the same stuff, it's not scientific by any means, just experience, but wood prefers the same treatment. Again as long as a high quality product is being used, it just doesn't make sense to change unless there is an issue that needs solved with another product.

In Iowa you should be getting closer to 3-5 years out of that treatment when applied properly, but doing it every 2 years is a good maintenance approach. Especially in areas that get lots of sun exposure and horizontal surfaces that have to deal with moisture build up.

I would not hesitate to use the timber oil product, but if it were my home I'd stick to the Cetol unless it wasn't working/an issue needs solving with another product.

I will qualify that I hate that PPG bought out Sikkens. PPG is a shite company and likely will change the Sikkens formulas in the future to cut cost. They will also likely offshore the production to China eventually. That's the PPG way.

It's tough to beat Cetol SRD as far as overall value goes, in an oil/stain product for cedar siding.

[SteyrAUG]

Ok, so I just discovered that the Sikkens is what they used on the back deck and for the siding they've been using something from The Flood Company – CWF-UV (the oil based version). I'm assuming I want to stay with that?

Or would Sikkens or Woodrich Timber Oil Deep Penetrating Wood Stain get me longer lasting / better protection? If I can get something that will hold up 3-5 years rather than 2, I want to go with that.

[THCDDM4]

Ok, so I just discovered that the Sikkens is what they used on the back deck and for the siding they've been using something from The Flood Company – CWF-UV (the oil based version). I'm assuming I want to stay with that?

Or would Sikkens or Woodrich Timber Oil Deep Penetrating Wood Stain get me longer lasting / better protection? If I can get something that will hold up 3-5 years rather than 2, I want to go with that.

Flood is a PPG product as well. It was great in its heyday, before PPG bought it out and changed up the formulation every few years- and offshored production to China...

It has undergone some positive formulation changes recently, but It’s not a product I would recommend when better products are out there.

It’s one the medium/low spectrum of what’s available.

Next time you treat your siding go with the sikkens Cetol- would be my suggestion.