Pistol caliber carbines are winning my soul - and they should win yours too

[Clint]

It seems minimum effective barrel length is dictated by the cartridge.

Good matches seem to be as follows:

9mm => 4" barrel

300BLK => 8" barrel

556 => 11.5" barrel

[sinister]

LWRC's SMG in .45 ACP. I want one, but LAWD it's pricey.

[yoni]

It seems minimum effective barrel length is dictated by the cartridge.

Good matches seem to be as follows:

9mm => 4" barrel

300BLK => 8" barrel

556 => 11.5" barrel

With different types of 9mm PCC you can get up to a 7.5" barrel and still have a very small package i,e, mini Uzi. But other than that exception I agree 100% with what you posted.

[Uni-Vibe]

Regarding rifles, when you go down to 5,5 inch barrels are around that, you are going to get muzzle blast.

Where with a 5 inch or longer barrel in a PCC you have a pistol going off. Try setting of a round from a very short barrel in a vehicle without ear protection, no fun. Even from a 10.5 or 11.5 inch 5.56 rifle from inside a car, no fun. I have many times fired a mini PCC out from inside a car without the same issues.

I'll go Yoni one better: when you have a PCC with 16 inch barrel, there's much less noise and concussion and flash than even a pistol.

That's why my home defense weapon is a PCC.

[WickedWillis]

I'll go Yoni one better: when you have a PCC with 16 inch barrel, there's much less noise and concussion and flash than even a pistol.

That's why my home defense weapon is a PCC.

Valid points, the both of you. I had an ND indoors with 5.56 a few years ago being an idiot with a 16" gun, and it sucked.

[hotrodder636]

For many of the reasons already mentioned, that’s why I love my APC9Pro.

[Uni-Vibe]

And people say a 9mm carbine is "weak." Probably the same people that keep a 9mm handgun for home defense. I can put 20 aimed shots down in 10 seconds. Good medicine for home invaders.

Now, for outside anti riot duty, I would prefer the M4.

But indoors, when the Gangstas drop in, if you whip out a Scorpion, Uzi, Cx4, AR9, Ruger, any of them, even the lowly Sub 2K, you can deal with it.

[kwelz]

And people say a 9mm carbine is "weak." Probably the same people that keep a 9mm handgun for home defense. I can put 20 aimed shots down in 10 seconds. Good medicine for home invaders.

Now, for outside anti riot duty, I would prefer the M4.

But indoors, when the Gangstas drop in, if you whip out a Scorpion, Uzi, Cx4, AR9, Ruger, any of them, even the lowly Sub 2K, you can deal with it.

Sure it is weak compared to a rifle caliber round. But the people who just make a blanket statement like that are probably also the ones who put a single mag through their new bedside Glock 40 and called it good to go.

[WickedWillis]

Sure it is weak compared to a rifle caliber round. But the people who just make a blanket statement like that are probably also the ones who put a single mag through their new bedside Glock 40 and called it good to go.

So very true.

[Pappabear]

I agree the PCC’s fit a nice niche in the armamentarium. And the increase accuracy over a pistol is pretty dramatic. 50 yard shot is a lay up.

I really have enjoyed my new APC Pro, fold stock and 20 round mags, backpack or whatever...game on.

PB