End game: War with China to cancel US debt

[SteyrAUG]

Look at the triggers for Pearl Harbor - very similar.

China doesn't need oil, rubber or scrap steel from us. To the contrary we purchase their steel.

China is not going to start a military war when they are already winning an economic war. China today and Japan 1940 are so completely different it isn't funny.

Japan went to war because we denied them resources and they realized they needed to take over European colonies to get raw materials and establish themselves as a super power.

China already IS a super power and they don't need anything from us except for us to continue to buy iphones and nikes.

[The_War_Wagon]

Please take care of my family if I don’t post anything within the next two weeks ��

Youtube will make sure, we never knew you were here.

[ThirdWatcher]

Didn't Gen. Smedley Butler get in trouble for noting the same?

I’ve got the benefit of leading a pretty insignificant life.

[chadbag]

An interesting theory about Trump's actions WRT China right now: https://www.redstate.com/diary/clint...-an-illiberal/

Trump is a lot smarter than people think. (Most people think that if you disagree with them, you are a moron anyway). As trump is not a politician, but someone who approaches things in a business like solve-problems manner, he often does things that do not make sense to the politician, but make eminent sense to the every day man. China is an example. He recognized that China is a drain on the country (whether he has thought it through as much as the article above suggests or not). So he has gone on to try and change that relationship. And as a businessman and negotiator, he knows you have to compromise. (Liberals should get this as this is how many of our liberties have been done away with) -- so you make "outrageous" demands, and then negotiate those demands back to what you expected in the first place. Witness the China Tariff issues. By moving the ball into China's court he has made them negotiate backwards to avoid even strong backwards motion. (Same as the left has done to the 2A and others).

Anyway, the article made a lot of sense, even if some of Trump's actions in it are inadvertent -- Trump is playing the strategy even if he has not thought it through as much as the article says.

[chadbag]

China already IS a super power and they don't need anything from us except for us to continue to buy iphones and nikes.

I've long said we won't have a shooting war with China until they can't keep their people employed and they need to reduce their population. They make too much doing business to need to shoot at us.

[Diamondback]

Trump is a lot smarter than people think. (Most people think that if you disagree with them, you are a moron anyway). As trump is not a politician, but someone who approaches things in a business like solve-problems manner, he often does things that do not make sense to the politician, but make eminent sense to the every day man. China is an example. He recognized that China is a drain on the country (whether he has thought it through as much as the article above suggests or not). So he has gone on to try and change that relationship. And as a businessman and negotiator, he knows you have to compromise. (Liberals should get this as this is how many of our liberties have been done away with) -- so you make "outrageous" demands, and then negotiate those demands back to what you expected in the first place. Witness the China Tariff issues. By moving the ball into China's court he has made them negotiate backwards to avoid even strong backwards motion. (Same as the left has done to the 2A and others).

Anyway, the article made a lot of sense, even if some of Trump's actions in it are inadvertent -- Trump is playing the strategy even if he has not thought it through as much as the article says.

Frankly, I'd suspect a lot of what Trump does is "unconscious competence" born of instinct--he may not be able to describe a strategy, but he does have a natural talent at finding the other guy's jugular and going for it. Same thing as I as taught in Business 101, "if your opening offer isn't so absurdly in your favor the other guy laughs in your face you've just screwed yourself."

[Honu]

look at history China has been on top of the world many times for hundreds of years we have not even been on top 100 years ?

and most likely will be again some day but they can wait 200 300 or more years their history is thousands not hundreds so they will wait it out and move

IMHO war with them wont happen in a regular way but if we do not bring back medicine and tech we are doomed we just need to cut off the made in China and they will go back to a even longer waiting game we have built them up way way to much its our own fault
they can not go to war and cut off the hand that feeds !
they can deny the hand that feeds once they have the upper hand and the left is playing into that with the bribes that are happening in college and gov selling secrets and info to them and that we need to do something serious about

[chadbag]

Frankly, I'd suspect a lot of what Trump does is "unconscious competence" born of instinct--he may not be able to describe a strategy, but he does have a natural talent at finding the other guy's jugular and going for it. Same thing as I as taught in Business 101, "if your opening offer isn't so absurdly in your favor the other guy laughs in your face you've just screwed yourself."

You said it much better than I was able to.

[utahjeepr]

One: I don't even want to consider going to war with China over trival crap like our debt. We ran up our credit card balance, nobody made us do it. I can't stand that crap when individuals do it and then act like the credit card company is the bad guy.

Statecraft level geopolitical maneuvers are not reasons to go to war. You respond with your own strategy and maneuvering, but on the global political field of battle, not an actual battlefield. Our disjointed politics leaves us ripe for getting our ass handed to us compared to systems that have Presidents-for-life and/or generational despots. One administration plays hardball for gains that the next administration throws away. If we can't get our shit together we will lose a lot of ground on the world stage. That's just the way it is. Representative democracy is a beautiful thing, but it requires more of its citizens than we as a country are currently giving.

China, Russia, and others are bad actors no doubt about it. If Biden wins the Oval Office he will be on his knees doing a Lewinsky for his family's personal gain and F the rest of us, no doubt about it.

Will speaks of China having a cultural strategy of patience, but that is not entirely accurate. China has a long history, but one of many dynasties. The CCP is the latest of these, their dynasty is stable in China so they can afford to play the long game. They have no domestic opposition, they kill all who speak out internally. Russian history and current domestic politics are pretty much the same.

War between major world players is not a thing to take lightly. Ask the few remaining WW2 vets. If there was truth to the conspiracy theory that China intentionally launched this pandemic, that could be a prelude to war( just an example, I don't think this was an attack).

We can't put domestic politics aside in the face of this epidemic, we are in no position to fight a major war. Hell our troops get yanked this way and that in the fights we have now thanks to our inability to present a united front politically.

[Business_Casual]

( just an example, I don't think this was an attack).

Agree, the crime was covering up human to human transmissibility once it got out. I do think it was likely shoddy quality control/procedures in their lab that allowed this.

As to scrap steel, rubber and oil, not the point. The point is we boxed in Japan, if we box in China the same course is likely.