George Floyd and Minneapolis Police UoF - Rioting

[Uni-Vibe]

Don't worry folks, this is a mere warm up for the Democratic National Convention.
You heard it here first.

The police rioted at the democratic convention in Chicago in '68, and to a lesser extent at the Republican convention in Houston in 1992.

[26 Inf]

Okay, those two words I have an issue with. This is 2020, not 1865 or 1965. Thanks to Affirmative Action (basically "reverse discrimination", if there is such a thing) and the perpetual whiners, blacks have quite a few advantages these days that whites don't.['m not going to excuse the environment of your shitty upbringing for your perceived grievances. Get over it. You're not a slave, I'm not a slave owner. You were never made to sit in the back of the bus or use a separate restroom.....the folks that were are in their 70's and 80's and aren't out there in the streets showing their ass. Wanna protest what happened? Go for it, because in this case you're spot on and it's your Constitutional right to do so. But don't expect me to "understand" your never-ending ghetto victim mentality. Birds of a feather and all that.

Let me reiterate: that POS cop should go to prison. His buddies there on scene should, at a minimum, be fired if not also prosecuted as accessories. What happened was WRONG. That said, what is happening across the country now is also WRONG, and I'll not buy any bullshit "woe is me" stories to make excuses for it. (not saying you, 26 Inf, are suggesting so)

The Tucker Carlson article I quoted, which I most agreed with, made what I felt was one overbroad assertion, and then began pointing fingers and, if you want to be honest making the 'woe is me' excuse for our side. Not a fvcking thing about how to start trying to make things better.

Until we stop that, on both sides, it isn't going to get better.

[jpmuscle]

https://twitter.com/willontheradio/s...649345025?s=21

How folks haven’t gone weapons free in response to this BS is beyond me.


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[26 Inf]

The pictures look pretty damning.

I’m pro appropriate action taken if the guy died of strangulation or a huge ischemic stroke from no carotid blood flow on one side. I’m anti riot though.

What happens if....
They simply had an MI while coked up and being held down and the knee on the neck was not any more contributory than him thrashing around in the back of a car, running around with snot and tears after sprayed, or struggling and trying to fight while cuffed and only department approved positions and holds were used?

I think you still have to consider that the in-custody guy was in their care, and they did nothing to render aid after he became unresponsive.

[ABNAK]

The Tucker Carlson article I quoted, which I most agreed with, made what I felt was one overbroad assertion, and then began pointing fingers and, if you want to be honest making the 'woe is me' excuse for our side. Not a fvcking thing about how to start trying to make things better.

Until we stop that, on both sides, it isn't going to get better.

Seriously, how does the 99.9+% of the population that had ZERO to do with Floyd's death (and close to that many think the cop should rot) get that kumbaya feeling? What do we need to give now to appease the angry masses? Point a finger? Yeah, you can do so in a pretty clear-cut manor with this case:

Cop = wrong

Rioters/looters = wrong

Peaceful protesters = GTG

Not that you're suggesting it but I don't feel the need to try and "understand" the perpetually aggrieved, just those clear-cut points I made above which are rather reasonable and no-brainers.



You and I have debated the finer points before but generally agree.

[flenna]

I think you still have to consider that the in-custody guy was in their care, and they did nothing to render aid after he became unresponsive.

Exactly. Once the cuffs are on the police are responsible for his safety and well-being.

[Diamondback]

Not having anywhere better to stick this comment, my thoughts and prayers for the peace officers among our membership on the night shift tonight and the ones ahead.

[ramairthree]

You know I was making a joke and poke in the ribs from previous threads (albeit in poor form) don't you?

I totally get that.

And cool with it it.


But...
You remember that VN photo known around the world as the one where some brutal American puppet viciously is seen committing a war crime and murders some poor innocent guy on the street with his S&W 38?

That is not known as the photo of BG Loan, Commander of the VN National Police, legally performing the summary execution of a non uniformed spy who was a VC operative who had been captured committing crimes as an illegal combatant under exigent circumstances in time of war.

So,
If Floyd lay there dying of a heart attack unreleased to the knee on the neck, it’s like that photo, even if the knee had nothing to do with it. It’s how it will go down in history vs. if he had been sitting on the curb, just proned out, in the back of a cruiser, or if they were talking to him letting him know an ambulance was on the way, etc.

[ramairthree]

I think you still have to consider that the in-custody guy was in their care, and they did nothing to render aid after he became unresponsive.

Yes. I commented on that in a follow up more detailed post.
The two to three minutes of not doing anything or noticing was hard to believe.

I think knee cop was guilty of using an unauthorized technique, failing to recognize something real was going on, and failing to do something when he became un responsive.

I don’t think he was guilty of planning to kill him or intended to kill him. And when all Is said and done the knee on neck may not have been responsible.

[26 Inf]

Seriously, how does the 99.9+% of the population that had ZERO to do with Floyd's death (and close to that many think the cop should rot) get that kumbaya feeling? What do we need to give now to appease the angry masses? Point a finger? Yeah, you can do so in a pretty clear-cut manor with this case:

Cop = wrong

Rioters/looters = wrong

Peaceful protesters = GTG

Not that you're suggesting it but I don't feel the need to try and "understand" the perpetually aggrieved, just those clear-cut points I made above which are rather reasonable and no-brainers.

You and I have debated the finer points before but generally agree.

Well, maybe we see things from different perspectives because of different life experiences and training/education.

As a result I don't necessarily think that 'if they wanted to be middle class, they could get a job and become middle class' and 'if there aren't jobs in your area, move to where there are jobs' because I've seen the reality of that play out.

The problem is we are so locked into the dogma of our various narratives that were are stuck in ruts.

FWIW - I don't think I posted anything about rioters and looters being anything but wrong.