George Floyd and Minneapolis Police UoF - Rioting

**Grand58742** · 06-02-20, 17:44

Originally Posted by Sam

The Lakota Army helicopter in that picture was marked with a red cross, I think they call those medical helicopter.

That article said it was a show of force, maybe they were using those to transport injured people.

I know they've used choppers to help break up riots before. The used Blackhawks with great efficiency at Camp Bucca in Iraq to break up a few of them.

Maybe it was just the first thing they had available?

**ABNAK** · 06-02-20, 17:59

Originally Posted by jpmuscle

Because there’s no need. Assuming we stop hamstringing the police, NG, and hell even armed citizenry.

Fvck these people. You want to engage in indiscriminate violence against innocent persons and destroy cities and towns in the process? You deserve to get your ass beat or worse.

On a roll tonight? LOL

In agreement 100%. I believe that most thinking gun owners (not Fudd-ish ones) should at least observe under what circumstances the .mil is used here. Obviously if it is thrown in with too much enthusiasm and ease of conscience one would wonder if it could also be done regarding non-compliant individuals violating some future gun law.

I have mixed feelings on the subject. The type of wanton violence and criminal activity going on now across America is totally different than what *might* occur if some sweeping gun ban is passed and the 'tards decide to double-down on stupid by actively enforcing it. Enter the .mil question......

**jpmuscle** · 06-02-20, 18:21

Originally Posted by ABNAK

On a roll tonight? LOL

In agreement 100%. I believe that most thinking gun owners (not Fudd-ish ones) should at least observe under what circumstances the .mil is used here. Obviously if it is thrown in with too much enthusiasm and ease of conscience one would wonder if it could also be done regarding non-compliant individuals violating some future gun law.

I have mixed feelings on the subject. The type of wanton violence and criminal activity going on now across America is totally different than what *might* occur if some sweeping gun ban is passed and the 'tards decide to double-down on stupid by actively enforcing it. Enter the .mil question......

I’m not advocating for anything that isn’t already permissible under the constraints of law already.

In fact so much of this BS (in a policing context) stems from the reality that people are retarded and do not understand the basics of how Use of Force laws work as a legal framework. Don’t do hood shit, white black or otherwise and you won’t get thumped by the police.

Bottom line is these people (I’m looking at you BLM and the like) do not want a system of equality for all under the law, they want a system where special exemptions are carved out for protected populations, ie. lethal force cannot be used under any circumstances against minorities, all white on black crimes are “hate crimes” and codified in law.

You can’t have a rational conversation with folks about addressing systemic issues (legitimate or otherwise) when the end goal is a complete restructuring of the system presently in place. Never mind the fact that we as a society have been having his conversation for the last 60 years yet it’s the same race baiters that keep perpetuating the notion that no progress is being made despite reality showing otherwise.

Keep telling society the problem is white guilt, white silence, and evil white people as a collective and resentment towards POCs by whites will just continue to grow and the credibility of your movement just diminishes itself. GTFOH with blaming other people for your own behavior, choices and actions.

It has nothing to do with race. You’re not special because you’re white. You’re not special because your black. People need to get over themselves.

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**jsbhike** · 06-02-20, 18:25

Originally Posted by chadbag

What verifiable sources (news, govt pronouncements, etc) do we have that show that the majority of the violence is being pushed by "Antifa" and related type leftists/anarchists, etc. vs for example, far right, white supremacists, etc. ?

I am having a friendly debate with someone who is a general center oriented, believes in 2A but also believes in a lot of the "mainstream" Demo rhetoric. He had some sort of article that was pinning the violence on far right, white supremacists, etc. (Besides the fact that I think that there are not enough true "white supremacists" who would do this sort of thing to do it in one large city, let alone nationwide...) I was saying that most indicators say that the majority of it is leftist/anarchist, so-called "Antifa" driven. He is asking for sources.

So an appeal -- what do we really know and what sort of evidence is there?

Hollywood is only going to bail out leftists comes to mind.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ster-bail-fun/

**Alex V** · 06-02-20, 18:26

Originally Posted by ABNAK

On a roll tonight? LOL

In agreement 100%. I believe that most thinking gun owners (not Fudd-ish ones) should at least observe under what circumstances the .mil is used here. Obviously if it is thrown in with too much enthusiasm and ease of conscience one would wonder if it could also be done regarding non-compliant individuals violating some future gun law.

I have mixed feelings on the subject. The type of wanton violence and criminal activity going on now across America is totally different than what *might* occur if some sweeping gun ban is passed and the 'tards decide to double-down on stupid by actively enforcing it. Enter the .mil question......

The military question is a tricky one. I’m not sure where I stand. Since police seem to either have their hands tied by city hall or just cut tail and run, it would be nice to see armed citizens defend our communities. It’s happening here and there but where are all those billy bad ass III%s? I understand places like NYC it’s not gonna happen, but plenty of other places allow open carry.

Anyway. One key difference is if there is a sweeping gun law passed and we actually decide to boog, unlikely, we wouldn’t be burning down Targets and Walmarts. We would not be stealing $2.4MM worth of Rolexes.

**jpmuscle** · 06-02-20, 18:38

Originally Posted by Alex V

The military question is a tricky one. I’m not sure where I stand. Since police seem to either have their hands tied by city hall or just cut tail and run, it would be nice to see armed citizens defend our communities. It’s happening here and there but where are all those billy bad ass III%s? I understand places like NYC it’s not gonna happen, but plenty of other places allow open carry.

Anyway. One key difference is if there is a sweeping gun law passed and we actually decide to boog, unlikely, we wouldn’t be burning down Targets and Walmarts. We would not be stealing $2.4MM worth of Rolexes.

Tyrants get the woodchipper for sure.

But it’s funny how deposing tyranny doesn’t require burning a city to the ground. Go figure.

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**marco.g** · 06-02-20, 18:41

Originally Posted by Grand58742

I know they've used choppers to help break up riots before. The used Blackhawks with great efficiency at Camp Bucca in Iraq to break up a few of them.

Maybe it was just the first thing they had available?

I’m no expert in helicopter operations. That’s OH58’s wheelhouse.

But if it was an evac flight I’d assume they would hover/land off to the side of the action.

**Todd.K** · 06-02-20, 18:45

Originally Posted by jpmuscle

Because there’s no need. Assuming we stop hamstringing the police, NG, and hell even armed citizenry.

You need both the will and the numbers to stop a riot. The will to go after and arrest the first violent actors, and the numbers to do it safely.

Because of an obvious lack of will in most cities, I don't know if they have the numbers. If they need more I'm not opposed to sending the military.

The greater the numbers the safer it will be for everyone.

**Diamondback** · 06-02-20, 18:47

Originally Posted by marco.g

I’m no expert in helicopter operations. That’s OH58’s wheelhouse.

But if it was an evac flight I’d assume they would hover/land off to the side of the action.

Rotor downforce can be a wonderful flattener and immobilizer... I've heard the rotorwash of a CH-53 Super Stallion compared to a highly localized small hurricane, and IIRC Navy crews don't like to share a deck with 'em without having safety lines hooked up when the engines are running.

ETA: A read recommended by Rush - https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...of-the-cities/