George Floyd and Minneapolis Police UoF - Rioting

[Straight Shooter]

Good post.

I think we're all in this conundrum. It sounds like most of us here, as well as most people in this country, understand and support the anger behind this. I think where I'm sitting right now, this is how I feel: They are right to be angry. They are right that this is an injustice that can't go unpunished. They are right that sometimes violence is the only answer when peace fails. They are wrong for turning to violence in this stage of the incident. They are wrong for using this kind of violence at ANY stage of an incident; targeting of innocents is intolerable, and counterproductive at that. They are also wrong in their end game, which is ultimately a socialist revolution that will result in further targeting of innocents. But regardless of all this, it sends the message to the government that the people can only be pushed so far, and injustice can only be ignored for so long, before people strike back.

Ultimately, it may send them a message of what could happen if they insist on "gun buybacks".

You said things I wish I would have thought of- their "end game" surely isnt most of ours, so true. And of course, the targeting of innocents is horrendous.
The part where you said "it sends a message to the government that the people can only be pushed so far, and injustice can only be ignored for so long, before people strike back"..thats EXACTLY what I was trying to convey, perfectly. Thank you for that.
And as a couple other pointed out- if you adopted a "rooftop Korean" defense...you of course would be perfectly right & moral in doing so.
Some way, some how...we have GOT to make people n government..ESPECIALLY THE DEMOCRAT PARTY- become fearful of retribution as they & the media continue their minute by minute attack on the Constitution, religious people EXCEPT for muslims.....and traditional American way of life.
I cannot now, see it ending any way other than in violence.

[Straight Shooter]

After watching the video, Floyd was murdered. Who knows if the charges will get plead down to involuntary manslaughter or at worst, 2nd degree murder?

Now about the rioting. If this is how the Tree of Liberty gets watered in Hennepin County, Minnesota, I want no part of it. If I owned a business in that vicinity, I might adopt a Korean rooftop defensive stance, and the bodies might pile up - at least until my place became too costly to attack.

I truly hope you dont think Im referring to the riots and looting as being equal to Jeffersons quote. I am not, sir.

[Danus ex]

I live 4 miles from the largely unreported eastern St. Paul riots. A few random notes/corrections:

1. Minneapolis/St. Paul doesn't have much racial tension, so Ferguson-like riots do come as a surprise.

2. Locally, MPD and Minnesota police in general do have a reputation for excessive brutality relative to other locales, but don't have a reputation for racism. I volunteer with Anoka PD periodically and have not witnessed either myself. The media will work tirelessly to make this solely about race, but that's an oversimplification.

3. In the public conscious, Floyd's death stacks upon the Jamar Clark, Philando Castile, and Justine Damond killings in particular.

4. I've been listening to scanners for police controlling the Midway (St. Paul) riots. Many reports of white perps which, if true, suggests that many rioters are indeed not neighborhood locals.

5. Past protests, especially the ones that blocked Interstate 94 and the 2008 RNC did feature many non-local activists.

6. The "rooftop Korean" thing won't happen much, if at all in these neighborhoods. If riots leak into richer or more suburban neighborhoods then it definitely will.

[jpmuscle]

https://kstp.com/news/george-floyd-f...blbk1PEX7vRlJM

Seems they may have known each other.
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[Todd.K]

They are right that this is an injustice that can't go unpunished.

Only a few days in, this seems to come up a bit short in trying to justify a violent protest.

[THCDDM4]

Something to note- the dude yelled "Mama! Mama!". It seems a bit silly to note, but if you do the research, when men are about die and they know it, those are the words they utter, "momma".

I have an uncle who was a pilot and an instructor who listened to all fo the plane crash audio out there and shared it with me, when faced with certain death- dudes yell "mama" or "F***". Woman scream like bloody murder.

I don't doubt the dude resisted arrest and that's on him, but what that LEO did was not prudent, necessary nor reasonable. Indict the shit out of him and make an example.

LEO's can be their own worst enemies at times and I believe this is one of those times.

"Play stupid games win stupid prizes" cuts both ways.

This is yet another example of why better training is necessary for 100% of LE out there.

I wish more money was spent on training and less on bearcats and cool toys.

I wish more time was spent on actually protecting communities than spent setting up speed traps and stop sign traps to collect revenue for the state.

[jbjh]

The PD is screwed on this. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

Having seen it happen here in Los Angeles, when the police abandon an area hoping to defuse tensions, opportunists will fill the void. And by opportunists, I’m talking about the very worst of the neighborhood - the ones that make the whole place suck. They will take every advantage to start as much havoc as possible. Then other schmucks and thrill seekers will flow into the area to see why they can get away with. It will keep going, night after night, until control is reasserted.

I keep hearing about the National Guard coming in. How does that work? Let the State’s part-time army come it with MRAPS and guns? Then what? Open fire on looters? It seems like a non-starter.

Maybe better would be State Police. But that response is going to take forever to coordinate. Are there even 200 guys locally to come in? Who relieves them at daybreak?

But the if the PD has thrown in the towel, it’s game over.


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[ap1220]

Being reported that the MPD 5th precinct is being abandoned now like the 3rd was before it was overrun and burned.

[Uni-Vibe]

In L.A. riots, LAPD mostly bugged out; what law enforcement there was, was LA county sheriff and national guard. USMC showed up at the end and relieved national guard, and provided security thereafter.

[SteyrAUG]

In L.A. riots, LAPD mostly bugged out; what law enforcement there was, was LA county sheriff and national guard. USMC showed up at the end and relieved national guard, and provided security thereafter.

You forgot about the Koreans. They probably pulled more security than all LE combined.