Contact Tracing Partnership Between Apple and Google

[Honu]

I give you iOS 13.5 dude it’s built in now came out couple days ago

Has to be turned on but it’s baked into the os now
sad as apple used to be better then this

Guys. This is a framework that is in the system (at least as of now) and requires an App to actually use it. You have to download the app. Various states/governments are responsible for developing their own apps that use the framework. Don't want to participate, don't download the app.

Can they remotely trigger this? Right now, without an app, there is nothing to trigger.

If you are worried about this, you should have ditched your phone long ago (and your computer and any tech) as there could theoretically already be tons of backdoors and triggers to track you etc.

[Honu]

They are training folks that are going to be calling folks asking questions etc....

So you test positive and you get a call and asked questions (pressured) to share contact list etc....
that is how they will go about it then without your consent if you are a friend of that person all those contacts get put into the database and contacted eventually also and the did you know someone had your info that has it etc...

We know someone that is doing it as she is desperate for work and was told could pay up to to 60k starts lower of course

Looked into it pretty easy to find the .gov job offers for this already from all states

[teufelhund1918]

I'm just a plain old idiot when it comes to technology. Never been interested in learning about it or having those devices. I go to the local library or here at work to use a computer for what I need. I finally caved and bought one of those little $20 flip phones at Walfart. I don't carry it much. I really don't have a use for it other than family issues. But I don't think it is more than just the phones you have to be concerned about. What about the Onstar in your vehicles and other devices? You can check your refrigerator with your phone these days...???? I wonder how all this stuff is connected because it looks like to me that they all are. Do a search for some thing on a computer. Suddenly those things start popping up in ads on all your devices. They already know all the moves you made during your day.

[TommyG]

Guys. This is a framework that is in the system (at least as of now) and requires an App to actually use it. You have to download the app. Various states/governments are responsible for developing their own apps that use the framework. Don't want to participate, don't download the app.

Can they remotely trigger this? Right now, without an app, there is nothing to trigger.

If you are worried about this, you should have ditched your phone long ago (and your computer and any tech) as there could theoretically already be tons of backdoors and triggers to track you etc.

Phase II will not be optional. It will part of the OS:

In the second phase, available in the coming months, this capability will be introduced at the
operating system level to help ensure broad adoption, which is vital to the success of contact
tracing.

[chadbag]

Phase II will not be optional. It will part of the OS:

It is still "optional" in that you will have to report yourself positive before anything gets uploaded and then it is still anonymously hashed. And I think that you will still need an app. The actual blue tooth pinging will happen automagically but, and I am not sure about this, you will still need an app to run to trigger the use of that data. Whether the app is built in or you use your country's app IDK. But it won't be reporting anything to anyone without you reporting yourself to the app as positive.

[chadbag]

I give you iOS 13.5 dude it’s built in now came out couple days ago

Has to be turned on but it’s baked into the os now
sad as apple used to be better then this

See my other comments above. The pinging may be baked in but nothing is reported until you report yourself positive. It still stays on-device until that point.

[Honu]

See my other comments above. The pinging may be baked in but nothing is reported until you report yourself positive. It still stays on-device until that point.

Yeah but they can make it mandatory very easy to be in or contacts won’t work etc....
So the you need to download is off the table etc....
Now it’s do we need to make this a on feature you opt out ?
Then next time you have to have it on ?

To me the baking into os is a bit to far for comfort

The reporting thing won’t be you reporting (some will of course) but is going to be people calling just google .gov contact tracing jobs
Also the testing at hospitals etc... will then put you on a list by default I was told (just got out of hospital yesterday for surgery had my test before surgery was allowed and asked some questions oh negative for covid of course)

[soulezoo]

See my other comments above. The pinging may be baked in but nothing is reported until you report yourself positive. It still stays on-device until that point.

You're wrong. It's not going to work the way you are thinking. State of CA is putting 10,000 people into this effort. 7 days a week, 12 hours a day.

I can't go into details here other than to let you know in no uncertain terms that you are wrong. It's not going to be voluntary, self reporting or otherwise. It's morphing quite quickly into a state run Orwellian dream. Or nightmare depending upon your position. I'm already hearing the whispers of "hey, we can use this for other things too!"

[jpmuscle]

You're wrong. It's not going to work the way you are thinking. State of CA is putting 10,000 people into this effort. 7 days a week, 12 hours a day.

I can't go into details here other than to let you know in no uncertain terms that you are wrong. It's not going to be voluntary, self reporting or otherwise. It's morphing quite quickly into a state run Orwellian dream. Or nightmare depending upon your position. I'm already hearing the whispers of "hey, we can use this for other things too!"

Well that’s not helping anyone now is it


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[chadbag]

The only thing being baked in AFAIK is the automatic pinging. Right now it needs to be turned on by a framework added after the fact. With it built in the apps don't need to include that framework. You still need to say you are actually sick and at that point is when it uploads the hashed values. Those values do not identify you. They merely allow them to tell others who have seen your beacon to be told they came into contact with someone.

This has nothing to do with your contacts (Apple and Google already have access to your contacts). The Covid tracking, whether "baked in" or as a framework that an app needs to be turned on, does not upload anything until you input that you are actually positive. Then your hashed ID, not linked to any real ID, is uploaded so that the people who have been near you know they were near someone. No one knows actually who that was when they get the report.

Let's take the tinfoil hats off here.

Yeah but they can make it mandatory very easy to be in or contacts won’t work etc....
So the you need to download is off the table etc....
Now it’s do we need to make this a on feature you opt out ?
Then next time you have to have it on ?

To me the baking into os is a bit to far for comfort

The reporting thing won’t be you reporting (some will of course) but is going to be people calling just google .gov contact tracing jobs
Also the testing at hospitals etc... will then put you on a list by default I was told (just got out of hospital yesterday for surgery had my test before surgery was allowed and asked some questions oh negative for covid of course)