Philadelphia protests turning violent; what's happening in your AOR?

[okie]

Yeah, cops fvck up sometimes, and should be held criminally accountable. $$$ in a winning lawsuit doesn't re-instate life to a dead person.

That said, where were all the outraged protests when the douchebag cop killed that white dude in the hallway of a motel in Mesa, AZ a few years ago who didn't crawl right per their instructions? How about the cop hiding in shrubs across the street who was "scared for his buddies" that killed that white guy answering his door in Kansas City (IIRC) because he had been erroneously "SWAT'ed"? Both LEO's should be rotting in prison right now but they aren't. Where were the bloody, violent, unrelenting protests then?

[chirping crickets from the Left]

There's a method to BLM's madness. They select cases that have no actual merit, to ensure they get maximum use out of them. If they picked cases that had merit, everyone would get behind them, the cops would be indicted and convicted, and that would be that.

That's not what they want, though. They want maximum controversy and division. The last thing they want is for everyone to come together for a common good. And the last thing their handlers want is for people to all come together to put out of control government in its place. All relevant interests here lie in dividing the American people themselves.

[HardToHandle]

My opinion? We have unreasonable asks of PEACE officers.
Legally, that term shows up in many states. Historically, enforcement of law was secondary to keeping some semblance of peace. That mission leaves much room for discretion and, potentially, abuse. However, it allows society to function and often to thrive.

As much as it pains me, I see and even lend some credence to Okie’s wackadoodle Sovereign Citizen rants. Keeping the relative peace in the US policing model derived from the British Peelian “Consent of the Governed” model vs. Gendarmes of the King more common elsewhere in Europe. The UK uses the term “Policing by Consent” widely, even if that concept seems stretched on occasion. Certainly many people, whether in BLM burn-em-downs or guns in state capitols, feel unable to get sufficient governmental redress.

Without making this a long ramble rant, I think the failure to keep the peace probably was best typified at Charlottesville VA. Not my circus, not my monkeys but it seemed to be a feckless response from multiple layers of government. Cops and participants died; that semblance of PEACE was eroded. The same in Portland OR, where the local elected officials have mostly abandoned the streets to the mob while leaving the beleaguered police in a Twilight zone of legality.

Kenosha... That was a Charlie Foxtrot, again fueled by a feckless Governor, that ended up with a damn fool kid ruining his life. If you look beyond the Rittenhouse shooting, the restraint being shown by the General populace and law enforcement in Wisconsin against a cross border invasion was exemplary. A minority came to sow hate and the majority waited out the storm in peace (likely with loaded deer rifles close at hand).

It is a rough time to be tasked keeping the peace. That thin blue line is most certainly a bit tattered presently, but I appreciate the peace I enjoy. Thanks for holding the line.

[glocktogo]

I was addressing the fact that some here seem to be painting police officers with a whole with the same broad brush as the left. Basically, if you wear a badge, you are to be, by default, a leftist collaborator and therefore, the enemy, and therefore, a target in a shooting war. The problem with that, I was pointing out, was that there are a lot of conservatives on the police forces who are on our side, and making the police, as a whole, our enemy, means targeting a lot of our own. I'm just saying be judicious about how we regard cops.

There's no evidence you would accept. You're an anarcho-capitalist who doesn't believe in law enforcement. You believe that police are, by default, the bad guys because they are an illegal force. You have the same ACAB view towards individual cops as BLM/Antifa. There's nothing I could say to convince you that there are good people within law enforcement.

I don't want to take away from the critical role that law enforcement hold in our peaceful society. I know there are many fine officers across the nation and call some of them my friends. I have and still do work with some of them on a daily basis.

But when the police arrive to the scene of a critical incident that I've been involved in somehow, they are NOT my friend or ally. They are a potential existential threat to my future. They have direct authority over me. They are legally allowed to lie to me, but I'm neither allowed to lie or even be mistaken about anything I tell them. I have to keep my guard up at a very high level to avoid negative outcomes.

If I can convince Officer Friendly that I was well within the law through the use of minimally informative, non-committal dialogue, we're good to go. If not, then you're a threat to me and I'm going to use every lawful tool in my toolbox to mitigate your potentially harmful impact on me. Seriously, your politics are the last thing on my mind if you're interacting with me in an official capacity.

[1168]

I don't want to take away from the critical role that law enforcement hold in our peaceful society. I know there are many fine officers across the nation and call some of them my friends. I have and still do work with some of them on a daily basis.

But when the police arrive to the scene of a critical incident that I've been involved in somehow, they are NOT my friend or ally. They are a potential existential threat to my future. They have direct authority over me. They are legally allowed to lie to me, but I'm neither allowed to lie or even be mistaken about anything I tell them. I have to keep my guard up at a very high level to avoid negative outcomes.

If I can convince Officer Friendly that I was well within the law through the use of minimally informative, non-committal dialogue, we're good to go. If not, then you're a threat to me and I'm going to use every lawful tool in my toolbox to mitigate your potentially harmful impact on me. Seriously, your politics are the last thing on my mind if you're interacting with me in an official capacity.

For our military members, I would highly suggest attending any SERE course that has a focus on Peacetime Governmental Detention, if you can.

[okie]

My opinion? We have unreasonable asks of PEACE officers.
Legally, that term shows up in many states. Historically, enforcement of law was secondary to keeping some semblance of peace. That mission leaves much room for discretion and, potentially, abuse. However, it allows society to function and often to thrive.

As much as it pains me, I see and even lend some credence to Okie’s wackadoodle Sovereign Citizen rants. Keeping the relative peace in the US policing model derived from the British Peelian “Consent of the Governed” model vs. Gendarmes of the King more common elsewhere in Europe. The UK uses the term “Policing by Consent” widely, even if that concept seems stretched on occasion. Certainly many people, whether in BLM burn-em-downs or guns in state capitols, feel unable to get sufficient governmental redress.

Without making this a long ramble rant, I think the failure to keep the peace probably was best typified at Charlottesville VA. Not my circus, not my monkeys but it seemed to be a feckless response from multiple layers of government. Cops and participants died; that semblance of PEACE was eroded. The same in Portland OR, where the local elected officials have mostly abandoned the streets to the mob while leaving the beleaguered police in a Twilight zone of legality.

Kenosha... That was a Charlie Foxtrot, again fueled by a feckless Governor, that ended up with a damn fool kid ruining his life. If you look beyond the Rittenhouse shooting, the restraint being shown by the General populace and law enforcement in Wisconsin against a cross border invasion was exemplary. A minority came to sow hate and the majority waited out the storm in peace (likely with loaded deer rifles close at hand).

It is a rough time to be tasked keeping the peace. That thin blue line is most certainly a bit tattered presently, but I appreciate the peace I enjoy. Thanks for holding the line.

What did I say that's even remotely related to sovereign citizens?

[flenna]

Interesting. Could this be a dry run for November?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/police-re...ultiple-states

[Artos]

Those Q guys are going bonkers with the 911 outages & downed microsoft...

[BoringGuy45]

Those Q guys are going bonkers with the 911 outages & downed microsoft...

With all that’s happened this year it’s hard to not at least strongly consider that this outage might have been intentional. In years past I might have been tempted to just say “Eh, shit happens. Not everything is a conspiracy.” Now I’m not so sure with this.

[Diamondback]

With all that’s happened this year it’s hard to not at least strongly consider that this outage might have been intentional. In years past I might have been tempted to just say “Eh, shit happens. Not everything is a conspiracy.” Now I’m not so sure with this.

What was the line in Goldfinger?
"Once is happenstance, twice coincidence. Three times, now that's Enemy Action."
We're way past three in this seriers of dumpster fires...

[ubet]

Define “Conservative”.

Most people below the uppity ranks just want to do their time and go home. In dealing with the usual stuff perpetrated by the usual suspects; they do seem more cynical and jaded but it’s a bit of a stretch to assume they are going to vote “the right way”.

I keep it real, the days of the 6 foot white Cop with the loving wife and children died years ago. In fact, the system is very much favored towards black, Hispanic, and female applicants. On service exams and background checks.

It’s not the job where a guy who didn’t want to go to college or maybe is trying to find himself after a hitch in the army goes. I have been at this almost 20 years. I have seen the change. It hasn’t gotten better. Things are actually worse. Socially, politically, internally, etc.

Tossing more blacks and women at it is along the same logic as giving the police more guns.

Now, NOW, they are actually trying to get more homosexuals involved because everyone has a community now. And I guess they think each community needs an Uncle Tom.

Used to they just wanted someone who could write a report, be credible in court, and stomp ass if need be.

I can tell you that a lot of folks are most certainly not voting Republican.

I’m at a point in my life and career that it doesn’t affect me. But Law Enforcement is just not the enclave it used to be for better or worse.

To be quite honest, I actively tell people that if you are joining to play with guns or be a do-gooder then you are wasting your time. Most pensions aren’t worth shit. It’s harder to raise a family on the single income. And most people hate you.

The beau geste days are over. They aren’’t coming back. I’m glad I got to experience them but nah. The only reason I haven’t moved on is because I am too lazy and the economy is too fcked. And I don’t feel like going back to more school.

So, don’t paint with a broad brush like that. Don’t confuse cynicism with conservatism.

Truth be told, I voted Trump in 2016 thinking it was gonna be like having another Reagan.

I’m only voting Trump now just because I hate everyone else and the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t. Cities are burning, he doesn’t have a handle on it, 3rd world shithole people are comfortably moving in, H1-B pajeetpass is very much protected thereby securing cheap coders (this one hurts me because in a past life, I was a programmer. That was the point of my degree. And now, it’s worthless. You can’t compete with the cheap 3rd world. Any software you get, you are just beta testing for free), racial division is at its worst in a century, censorship has surpassed anything ever before seen, and the mob rules.

But at least we got an Embassy in Jerusalem and a hawkish Japan.

We’re still in hock to the Red Chinese.

Ugh

It’s not Trump’s job to stop this bullshit, it’s mayors and governors responsibility. Unless they’re attacking federal faculties Trump needs to stay the hell out of it. Let these people reap what they’ve sewn by voting for commies for 25 years.


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