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    Hold your horses!

    Not all of the "little guys" have been heard from yet! I would expect to see several more entries at the next stage of this process.

    I know of at least one other company that will be submitting several designs, both DI and piston, for the Army's consideration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Daly View Post
    Not all of the "little guys" have been heard from yet! I would expect to see several more entries at the next stage of this process.

    I know of at least one other company that will be submitting several designs, both DI and piston, for the Army's consideration.
    where you been? good to see you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Daly View Post
    Not all of the "little guys" have been heard from yet! I would expect to see several more entries at the next stage of this process.

    I know of at least one other company that will be submitting several designs, both DI and piston, for the Army's consideration.
    GOOD! I was worried for a second when I saw no Hesse entry, it's the gun of the special forces for gods sake!
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    Don’t get all your panties into a bunch. All this is, is a "Sources Sought' nothing more. IF a draft requirement will come out, you prb won see that for at least 18 months to 2 + years.

    This will be a long long process, and I’m sure fill with many congressional complaints with companies that believe they get bounced for no reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SinnFéinM1911 View Post
    This will be a long long process, and I’m sure fill with many congressional complaints with companies that believe they get bounced for no reason.
    Good, so there will be plenty of SCAR's (L & H) out on the Civ. market correct???
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    This is the first step toward a carbine competition the Army intends to open next year after Colt Defense LLC, the company that makes the M4, turns over the weapon’s technical data rights in June 2009. When that happens, the Army will have the opportunity to make major improvements to the M4 or buy a new carbine.
    Soooo....what does this mean for Colt's LE guns such as the 6920 in terms of conforming to mil-specs? Will this change anything?

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    Did anyone notice that Katars link with all the pics lists the KAC SR15 IWS rifle as being "gas piston" and they also show the Troy gun as a "piston" gun.
    Is this correct, or probably a typo???
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcibes View Post
    Soooo....what does this mean for Colt's LE guns such as the 6920 in terms of conforming to mil-specs? Will this change anything?
    Nothing -- what it means is that DoD can put M4 contracts to bid, as they will own the TDP, Colt will no longer with the sole source provider.
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    Their test results

    Guys,

    Maybe you guys don't find this shocking, but I do. I lifted this text right from the link that started this thread.

    "For more than a year, the M4 has been the subject of increased scrutiny by lawmakers on Capitol Hill concerned about whether soldiers have the best available weapon.

    In late November of last year, the weapon finished last in an Army reliability test against other carbines. The M4 suffered more stoppages than the combined number of jams by the other three competitors: the Heckler & Koch XM8; FNH USA’s Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle, or SCAR; and the H&K 416."



    I had no idea.

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    It's not that shocking at all really. For one, it's OLD news, and tests like that have been done since WAY back.
    And secondly, it's fairly common knowledge that these two piston guns (the SCAR and 416) will CERTAINLY outlast a regular Direct Impingement system!
    The only thing any M4 owner needs to do, to make their DI M4 run reliably longer, is KEEP IT LUBED! (which the Army trials did not do during the firing, as their test was to remain fair, and keep things equal)
    OF course the piston guns run longer! They don't blow carbon gases back into the chamber like the DI guns do!

    The SCAR was designed with this purpose in mind. It was designed to be MORE RELIABLE than the M4.
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