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    Yeah, always bring a back up for at least the primary weapon you'll be using in the class. I had a whoopsie moment when building my first AR many years ago, and it wouldn't fire the harder primers on the M193 ammo I had for the class. (it had fired commercial stuff beforehand just fine) Thankfully I had my SCAR as a backup and completed the class with it.
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    Given that you are going to be moving in a vehicle, weight is not a consideration and length/displacement probably isn't either, I'd take a complete rifle. As long as it's a rifle you have used and it's been proven reliable with the mag/ammo you will be using. If weight and space are an issue, then i'd do the upper and small selection of parts for the lower. Back when my money was tighter, I had no problem going to a carbine class with a spare complete bolt, cam pin, firing pin and firing pin retaining pin, plus oil. Having a complete rifle ready to go and zeroed in will get you back on the training line the fastest.

    In my limited experience of 15yrs AD and going to carbine courses (including EAG), most of the issues I've observed have been upper issues. Specifically sheared bolt lugs, broken bolts (USGI, multiple deployments and train up), a lose gas key (on a frankengun at a class), missing gas rings and Optic malfunctions. It must be noted that 90+% of the shooting I observed both in uniform and out was Semi Auto, full auto is a different game. I had to really think IOT remember a lower receiver malfunction. The only lower issues I've actually witnessed was a group of SIG rifles that had defective magazine catches (4-5 rifles that had been purchased at the same time from the same lot). I have seen guys lose lower parts when they dissembled their trigger groups in the field and one basic trainee that lost his take down pin detent while "cleaning his rifle". I can't recall ever seeing a lower receiver damaged to the point it couldn't be used, even with ones that had been in IED strikes. Your mileage will of course vary, I'm told that parachute jumps tend break rifles in the strangest ways. Also full auto fire will strain different parts of the gun. We had to deadline some 249s at one point because their receiver welds where breaking.

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    Rifle.

    Having taken and taught courses over the last few decades I've had two failures of my own:

    a broken 723 bolt in a Fort Bragg course using a student weapon with untold rounds on it, and --

    a broken extractor pin at the Atlantic Fleet and east coast All-Navy matches.

    The last time I saw someone with anything in a broken lower, he'd broken the plastic butt stock on an M4, mortar-clearing a stoppage from a bad round.

    You can always cannibalize pieces-parts off the spare gun.

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    The nice thing about a complete gun is that you just swap it with out having to do any thinking to make sure that it is an upper that is messing up.That being said, a spare BCG, upper and complete rifle depending on your resources. I put all my guns in a soft side golf travel bag, and literally roll it. Two long guns, two handguns and 2k rounds easy peasy, no hotel lobby odd looks for all you 511 bags....
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    Full spare, justification being the loaner gun. Prep it as the loaner setup, and I usually make that into the better tool... or I'll drag my wife's setup along. Frustrating answer is that I make better carbines for her than I do for myself, so it's just riding along taunting me.
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