It's Getting Worse: BLM to develop armed wing

[Diamondback]

Dude, they won't even care that they're whole world view is a pack of lies and is full of contradictions , we have a country to destroy and a socialist utopia to build. That's all that matters to them

Point is, when there is no justice system the citizens take things into their own hands... pretty sure even THEY don't wanna dial up "Vigilante Justice" in the Wayback Machine, but that's exactly the cliff they're steering to Thelma & Louise right off of.

[TomMcC]

Point is, when there is no justice system the citizens take things into their own hands... pretty sure even THEY don't wanna dial up "Vigilante Justice" in the Wayback Machine, but that's exactly the cliff they're steering to Thelma & Louise right off of.

It's hard to tell what they're willing to endure for the prize. They may be all in soon...just burn it all, who cares. We'll see I guess.

[ABNAK]

Point is, when there is no justice system the citizens take things into their own hands... pretty sure even THEY don't wanna dial up "Vigilante Justice" in the Wayback Machine, but that's exactly the cliff they're steering to Thelma & Louise right off of.

Accompanied by selective enforcement of self-defense laws. If you're the wrong person who shoots the wrong person, well......

[SteyrAUG]

Honestly, this would be a good outreach time for those on the right to connect with black activists. Make the deal that if they join us in pushing for a rollback of gun bans and things like universal carry, we just closed the biggest divide between us, and we can start working together on everything else.

I think we need to leave the activists out in the cold to act according to what they will do.

The only thing we need to do consistently is not allow the rest of us to be divided.

If you saw a black cop in trouble and you were armed and you KNEW he needed your help, would there be any real hesitation beyond the momentary pause we all get before we do something really dangerous that we know we are going to do anyway?

If you saw a Mexican female being abducted and you were armed and you KNEW you were probably the only person in the general area that is going to make it not happen, are you really going to think about race first?

And to the black guys, if you saw a white cop in trouble with a bunch of biker types and you were armed and KNEW you were the only person in the area that was able to help, are you really gonna let him hang?

I sorta doubt it. We all got kids, we all have people and things we are responsible but at the same time we mostly aren't the type to just watch bad shit happen and say "not my problem" and most of us won't sacrifice a victim because they aren't the right color.

Now I'm not gonna try and hold hands with the BPs, BLM, the KKK or anyone else because generally they are looking to start shit. But it ain't a race issue that will leave me to let them fix their own problems, it's the fact that they organized to create problems in most cases. And if they are a "mind our shit but don't go overboard" kind of group, they probably don't need my help anyway. Armed BPs who can handle their block without messing with me when I'm on their street already have things under control.

But ordinary folks trying to do their thing that run into goblins, if I can help, I'm probably going in hot. I'm not gonna try and fix the ghetto or anything and I'm not going to try and rescue MS13 from Antifa or vice versa, but if I see "actual people" in trouble that is different.

We need more "actual people" and I don't give a F what color they are, where they grew up or what language they spoke before.

[SteyrAUG]

BLM has banked tens if not over a hundred million dollars in the last week. You know we were talking about not buying Chinese, a few weeks ago. What a effing joke!

Try to buy something from an American major corporation today that doesn't support BLM. I needed a new remote switch for a streamlight on my rifle, I am greeted on Amazon with a banner of support for BLM.

It's like PETA.

I support the idea of "Black Lives Matter", even if I'd prefer "Most Lives Matter", but what I don't support is the racist underlining of BLM that make it a hate group. Christ if Make America Great Again can be a shadow organization for white nationalism, then the BLM might as well be the new klan using the same logic leap.

I also support the idea of PETA, meaning I don't think it's ok to abuse dogs, I think puppy mills should be shut down and I think we need to make stronger efforts to protect dolphins from commercial fishing outfits. But the PETA that says having a family dog is like slavery and should be a crime and the PETA that says killing insects in your home in animal abuse...well F them.

It always nice nice and makes it sound like protecting people in danger, but then it always turns out to be whackadoo extremists who actually hate according to race and put people in danger.

[Naphtali]

The origins of all this (from the BLM perspective) are the very legitimate concerns that:

1) There will always be criminally racist LEOs (and not just against black people). No group of people 700,000 in size is ever going to be 100% good people.

2) The bigger concern is LEOs who criminally abuse their power (who are perfectly happy to illegally assault - less common - or illegally arrest - more common - people of any color who "offend" them in some perfectly legal way). Google "contempt of cop". Or watch about a billion videos showing this on YouTube since 2005 (most deal with people legally using a camera in public places). These LEOs are a significant minority (maybe 20% ?) and far more common than racist LEOs.

3) The biggest concern is that the vast majority of LEOs either (1) happily cover up crimes by other LEOs, b/c they think LEOs are above the law, or (2) reluctantly cover up crimes by other LEOs, b/c if they are the only cop who comes clean, it's career suicide / ostracization. You're talking over 90% (excluding Internal Affairs). They'll come clean if they know the whole thing was already caught on video and there's no possible way to deny wrongdoing, but otherwise cover-ups are the rule. If you disagree with this, you're either lying or delusional.

My uncle worked in IA for a long time and had an extremely low opinion of LEOs. It was not "I'm really disturbed by how awful a tiny fraction are," but "You wouldn't believe how common it is for cops to be criminals / committing non-trivial felonies, and all the other cops who witnessed it lie to protect them in all cases."

The final concern is that there is a massive grey area on whether people have the right to defend themselves or others from police criminal behavior. And the laws on this vary widely from state to state, beyond being horribly vague. If you asked your attorney "What should I do if I'm obeying the law, and LEOs approach, and I perfectly comply with police orders and some LEO just starts beating / tasing me for no reason," virtually all good attorneys are going to tell you to just take the beating (even if it kills you), and they'll figure everything out later in court. While qualified immunity would suggest that justice will be served whenever LEOs violate your rights...
a) it doesn't matter to you if you're dead, or
b) if you're just disabled or have PTSD, the LEOs' going to jail + the money you get probably won't be worth it, and
c) concern #3 above is why justice is almost never served, unless someone is filming the LEOs. Like the clearly nonviolent 75yo guy the Buffalo NY police pushed down, and he fell backwards and fractured his skull. Whether they were justified or not for the shove (given that he was likely disobeying commands by approaching them and tried to gently touch one on the arm), the point is they and nearby cops all lied about it and said no one touched him, until the video clearly showed they were lying.

And in typical LEO fashion, after they were all caught illegally lying in their reports (see #3 above "they think LEOs are above the law") and the cops who shoved the guy and illegally lied about it were suspended, the entire unit resigned.

The current state of qualified immunity + police cover-ups makes me happy BLM is doing this. Just as the government should truly fear the people, cops also should truly fear the people (not just worry about danger from criminals - they should fear the good people). If BLM actually carries out their plan, and illegally / immorally uses their guns against LEOs, then they should go to jail. If they do it legally, and LEOs know they are being watched by people who are not afraid to intervene with deadly force when they see a helpless person in handcuffs on the ground being tortured to death for 9 minutes, then I wholeheartedly support the deterrent effect, as well as BLM or anyone else using deadly force against felon LEOs.

The catch for BLM, or anyone else doing this, is that they had better:
1) be legally in the right, and
2) have video proof
because the LEOs are going to lie like crazy if this ever happens, and an indictment is a virtual certainty even when the proof is iron-clad.

[PracticalRifleman]

The origins of all this (from the BLM perspective) are the very legitimate concerns that:

1) There will always be criminally racist LEOs (and not just against black people). No group of people 700,000 in size is ever going to be 100% good people.

2) The bigger concern is LEOs who criminally abuse their power (who are perfectly happy to illegally assault - less common - or illegally arrest - more common - people of any color who "offend" them in some perfectly legal way). Google "contempt of cop". Or watch about a billion videos showing this on YouTube since 2005 (most deal with people legally using a camera in public places). These LEOs are a significant minority (maybe 20% ?) and far more common than racist LEOs.

3) The biggest concern is that the vast majority of LEOs either (1) happily cover up crimes by other LEOs, b/c they think LEOs are above the law, or (2) reluctantly cover up crimes by other LEOs, b/c if they are the only cop who comes clean, it's career suicide / ostracization. You're talking over 90% (excluding Internal Affairs). They'll come clean if they know the whole thing was already caught on video and there's no possible way to deny wrongdoing, but otherwise cover-ups are the rule. If you disagree with this, you're either lying or delusional.

My uncle worked in IA for a long time and had an extremely low opinion of LEOs. It was not "I'm really disturbed by how awful a tiny fraction are," but "You wouldn't believe how common it is for cops to be criminals / committing non-trivial felonies, and all the other cops who witnessed it lie to protect them in all cases."

The final concern is that there is a massive grey area on whether people have the right to defend themselves or others from police criminal behavior. And the laws on this vary widely from state to state, beyond being horribly vague. If you asked your attorney "What should I do if I'm obeying the law, and LEOs approach, and I perfectly comply with police orders and some LEO just starts beating / tasing me for no reason," virtually all good attorneys are going to tell you to just take the beating (even if it kills you), and they'll figure everything out later in court. While qualified immunity would suggest that justice will be served whenever LEOs violate your rights, concern #3 above is why it almost never is, unless someone is filming the LEOs. Like the clearly nonviolent 75yo guy the Buffalo NY police pushed down, and he fell backwards and fractured his skull. Whether they were justified or not for this the shove (given that he was likely disobeying commands by approaching them and tried to gently touch one on the arm), the point is they and nearby cops all lied about it and said no one touched him, until the video clearly showed they were lying.

The current state of qualified immunity + police cover-ups makes me happy BLM is doing this. Just as the government should truly fear the people, cops also should truly fear the people (not just worry about danger from criminals - they should fear the good people). If BLM actually carries out their plan, and illegally / immorally uses their guns against LEOs, then they should go to jail. If they do it legally, and LEOs know they are being watched by people who are not afraid to intervene with deadly force when they see a helpless person in handcuffs on the ground being tortured to death for 9 minutes, then I wholeheartedly support the deterrent effect, as well as BLM or anyone else using deadly force against felon LEOs.

The catch for BLM, or anyone else doing this, is that they had better:
1) be legally in the right, and
2) have video proof
because the LEOs are going to lie like crazy if this ever happens, and an indictment is a virtual certainty even when the proof is iron-clad.

I’m under the impression BLM at their very core believe the system is racist and rigged against them and therefore through social justice activism, violence...any means necessary, want to overthrow the US Constitution and rebuild with a communist/socialist system to fulfill the visions of Stalin, Mao, and the like. I reject the organization.


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[TomMcC]

The origins of all this (from the BLM perspective) are the very legitimate concerns that:

1) There will always be criminally racist LEOs (and not just against black people). No group of people 700,000 in size is ever going to be 100% good people.

2) The bigger concern is LEOs who criminally abuse their power (who are perfectly happy to illegally assault - less common - or illegally arrest - more common - people of any color who "offend" them in some perfectly legal way). Google "contempt of cop". Or watch about a billion videos showing this on YouTube since 2005 (most deal with people legally using a camera in public places). These LEOs are a significant minority (maybe 20% ?) and far more common than racist LEOs.

3) The biggest concern is that the vast majority of LEOs either (1) happily cover up crimes by other LEOs, b/c they think LEOs are above the law, or (2) reluctantly cover up crimes by other LEOs, b/c if they are the only cop who comes clean, it's career suicide / ostracization. You're talking over 90% (excluding Internal Affairs). They'll come clean if they know the whole thing was already caught on video and there's no possible way to deny wrongdoing, but otherwise cover-ups are the rule. If you disagree with this, you're either lying or delusional.

My uncle worked in IA for a long time and had an extremely low opinion of LEOs. It was not "I'm really disturbed by how awful a tiny fraction are," but "You wouldn't believe how common it is for cops to be criminals / committing non-trivial felonies, and all the other cops who witnessed it lie to protect them in all cases."

The final concern is that there is a massive grey area on whether people have the right to defend themselves or others from police criminal behavior. And the laws on this vary widely from state to state, beyond being horribly vague. If you asked your attorney "What should I do if I'm obeying the law, and LEOs approach, and I perfectly comply with police orders and some LEO just starts beating / tasing me for no reason," virtually all good attorneys are going to tell you to just take the beating (even if it kills you), and they'll figure everything out later in court. While qualified immunity would suggest that justice will be served whenever LEOs violate your rights...
a) it doesn't matter to you if you're dead, or
b) if you're just disabled or have PTSD, the LEOs' going to jail + the money you get probably won't be worth it, and
c) concern #3 above is why justice is almost never served, unless someone is filming the LEOs. Like the clearly nonviolent 75yo guy the Buffalo NY police pushed down, and he fell backwards and fractured his skull. Whether they were justified or not for the shove (given that he was likely disobeying commands by approaching them and tried to gently touch one on the arm), the point is they and nearby cops all lied about it and said no one touched him, until the video clearly showed they were lying.

And in typical LEO fashion, after they were all caught illegally lying in their reports (see #3 above "they think LEOs are above the law") and the cops who shoved the guy and illegally lied about it were suspended, the entire unit resigned.

The current state of qualified immunity + police cover-ups makes me happy BLM is doing this. Just as the government should truly fear the people, cops also should truly fear the people (not just worry about danger from criminals - they should fear the good people). If BLM actually carries out their plan, and illegally / immorally uses their guns against LEOs, then they should go to jail. If they do it legally, and LEOs know they are being watched by people who are not afraid to intervene with deadly force when they see a helpless person in handcuffs on the ground being tortured to death for 9 minutes, then I wholeheartedly support the deterrent effect, as well as BLM or anyone else using deadly force against felon LEOs.

The catch for BLM, or anyone else doing this, is that they had better:
1) be legally in the right, and
2) have video proof
because the LEOs are going to lie like crazy if this ever happens, and an indictment is a virtual certainty even when the proof is iron-clad.

You lost me at "the vast majority" and "in typical LEO fashion"...do these terms include black, latino, or asian cops too.

[Naphtali]

I’m under the impression BLM at their very core believe the system is racist and rigged against them and therefore through social justice activism, violence...any means necessary, want to overthrow the US Constitution and rebuild with a communist/socialist system to fulfill the visions of Stalin, Mao, and the like. I reject the organization.


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I also reject their goals that you referred to. But they don't have the power to overthrow the government, so I'm not worried about their doing that. If they also want to donate to the Red Cross and help find good foster homes for orphans, then I support those specific actions. I'm not going to object to any good things they want to do, just because they also want to do bad things.

[Naphtali]

You lost me at "the vast majority" and "in typical LEO fashion"...do these terms include black, latino, or asian cops too.

Not sure how I lost you, as I can't re-phrase my post to make it more clear. But to answer your question, a bad cop is a bad cop, regardless of race. My post had nothing to do with the race of the LEOs. LEOs, like all people, should be treated according to their actions, not their race.