Will 2020 compare to 1968?

[ABNAK]

I mean hell, we're only halfway through. While I was alive back then I was a small child and don't remember it firsthand.....Tet, MLK and RFK murdered, anti-war protests/riots, civil rights protests/riots, and just general societal upheaval.

I sincerely hope that the second half of 2020 enables us to fall well short of the mayhem of 1968, but I'm not holding out much hope.

[PracticalRifleman]

Maybe we’ll get music that is as good at least? The crap on the radio these days is a joke.


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[BoringGuy45]

Maybe we’ll get music that is as good at least? The crap on the radio these days is a joke.


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If you're looking for good music of yesteryear, check out Frontiers Records page on YouTube. A lot of the great bands from the 70s and 80s (Boston, Journey, Asia, Yes, Night Ranger, Styx, etc.) are signed to Frontiers and still putting out good stuff. There's also a bunch of new bands on that label that are putting out 70s and 80s-style classic hard rock. Check out Eclipse, One Desire, Lionville, and W.E.T. Not 60s stuff like CCR, Dylan, Beatles, or the Rolling Stones, but still music from a better time.

Anyways, if things continue the way they are, I think it'll be worse than in 68. The economy is worse now, people are more brutal and violent, and there is a total rejection of all truth. The generation that had seen WWII and the Holocaust firsthand was still alive and well in the 60s. Nowadays, both those events are just chapters in history books. Also, the left did not have the stranglehold on academia, media, big business, and all major urban areas like they do today. Patriotism was still a virtue in the 60s; nowadays, it's considered racist to have anything except a vile hatred for this country.

I feel that, in November, we could see the start of a Civil War. If Trump is reelected, the left will rise up to try and overthrow him. If Biden wins, they will rise up and decide that it's now time to genocide the right. That is, if they even wait till the election...

[SteyrAUG]

I mean hell, we're only halfway through. While I was alive back then I was a small child and don't remember it firsthand.....Tet, MLK and RFK murdered, anti-war protests/riots, civil rights protests/riots, and just general societal upheaval.

I sincerely hope that the second half of 2020 enables us to fall well short of the mayhem of 1968, but I'm not holding out much hope.

You forgot celebrities supporting the enemy like Jane Fonda going to Hanoi. Then we had Hanoi sponsored groups like Vietnam Veterans Against the War. We also had radical extremist groups like the SDS, which evolved into an even more radical terrorist group the Weather Underground.

Globally extreme youth movements evolved into marxist based groups like Baader Meinhof / Red Army Faction that were so violent discussing groups like the modern day BPs or BLM groups in the same context is laughable.

But all that said, we might actually be closer to 1968 (and the violent early 70s) than at any other time since the end of the 20th century. We had some flash points in the 1980s but they seemed to be very localized.

[SteyrAUG]

If you're looking for good music of yesteryear, check out Frontiers Records page on YouTube. A lot of the great bands from the 70s and 80s (Boston, Journey, Asia, Yes, Night Ranger, Styx, etc.) are signed to Frontiers and still putting out good stuff. There's also a bunch of new bands on that label that are putting out 70s and 80s-style classic hard rock. Check out Eclipse, One Desire, Lionville, and W.E.T. Not 60s stuff like CCR, Dylan, Beatles, or the Rolling Stones, but still music from a better time.

Anyways, if things continue the way they are, I think it'll be worse than in 68. The economy is worse now, people are more brutal and violent, and there is a total rejection of all truth. The generation that had seen WWII and the Holocaust firsthand was still alive and well in the 60s. Nowadays, both those events are just chapters in history books. Also, the left did not have the stranglehold on academia, media, big business, and all major urban areas like they do today. Patriotism was still a virtue in the 60s; nowadays, it's considered racist to have anything except a vile hatred for this country.

I feel that, in November, we could see the start of a Civil War. If Trump is reelected, the left will rise up to try and overthrow him. If Biden wins, they will rise up and decide that it's now time to genocide the right. That is, if they even wait till the election...

I don't think there is as many millennials per capita as there were boomers. That is one thing that made the 60s so violent is they had the numbers. I don't think the extremists groups that exist today enjoy the same kind of broad support from a huge peer group as existed in the 60s. I think perception created by the internet skews reality.

So if somebody is saying "kill all cops for George Floyd" 3 out of 10 might endorse that message but 5 out of 10 aren't even going to waste their time explaining why those guys are idiots. We also aren't going to see a genocidal civil war this year or anytime in the next 10 years.

Everyone will be all "burn it down" until they can't get their Starbucks and then they will rethink it all. People who just got two months of not working due to Covid actually think they survived something like the Great Depression. They don't have a clue, they didn't even get a full on summer vacation. If they think they will be better able to understand armed insurrection, they will be in for a stunning wake up call.

It's easy to burn shit down when the cops back off, it's easy to loot stores when the mayor creates "free expression" zones but when the day comes that rooftop Koreans start shooting back at you...that will be the end of the Great 2020 Revolution.

[OH58D]

The music of 1968, especially the big songs were actually carry-overs from 1967, like "Light My Fire" or "The End" by the Doors. There was a definite psychedelic rock feel to 1967. When I think of 1968, especially a culmination of that year, it was the release of the Beatles White Album in November, and this song which carried over into 1969 with Manson.

Helter Skelter. I had this on a cassette tape I took with me to Honduras/Nicaragua 1984-1985. Flying to this while blaring in your ears was a hoot....and probably contributed to some of my current hearing loss...

[BoringGuy45]

I don't think there is as many millennials per capita as there were boomers. That is one thing that made the 60s so violent is they had the numbers. I don't think the extremists groups that exist today enjoy the same kind of broad support from a huge peer group as existed in the 60s. I think perception created by the internet skews reality.

So if somebody is saying "kill all cops for George Floyd" 3 out of 10 might endorse that message but 5 out of 10 aren't even going to waste their time explaining why those guys are idiots. We also aren't going to see a genocidal civil war this year or anytime in the next 10 years.

Everyone will be all "burn it down" until they can't get their Starbucks and then they will rethink it all. People who just got two months of not working due to Covid actually think they survived something like the Great Depression. They don't have a clue, they didn't even get a full on summer vacation. If they think they will be better able to understand armed insurrection, they will be in for a stunning wake up call.

It's easy to burn shit down when the cops back off, it's easy to loot stores when the mayor creates "free expression" zones but when the day comes that rooftop Koreans start shooting back at you...that will be the end of the Great 2020 Revolution.

I hope you're right man. I really do.

[SteyrAUG]

I hope you're right man. I really do.

I have a strong feeling what you are seeing at your location is probably more extreme than what I'm seeing at my location or saw at my previous location. That can change a persons perceptions dramatically.

I've I lived near Berkeley I'd probably be walking around with an "End of Days" sign. I also don't see the same number of true believers that existed in the late 60s, early 70s. There were some violent individuals who made the Manson family seem quaint and more importantly they were very organized and focus driven.

Look at the Cornell Hostage crisis. It was armed kidnapping and unlawful detention. However they won. All charges dropped, the entire university curriculum and structure of the university itself was altered according to the demands of armed terrorists and they became civil rights heroes and the truth of the crime is basically removed even from the internet.

Google Cornell Hostage Crisis and you will find only links to things like the Iranian Hostage crisis.

If armed conservatives took a university hostage and made demands regarding what was taught, by whom and how it was taught people would lose their minds. But when militant 60s radicals did it, they were saving the school.

[yoni]

With BLM, now funded to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, and with their goal of establishing a BLM armed police force to protect the black community from the police. We have all the makings to eclipse 1968.

But like 1968, 2020 the violence will be in the cities. I am going to be moving from where I live outside of DC, to rural AZ. Then all of this will be no different than watching F1 racing, it will be a spectator event.

If Trump wins 4 more years, violence will be wide spread. If Biden wins, and as I believe he will staff his cabinet with radical leftist, this combined with the Dems taking Congress will be the end of the USA as we know it. With new anti police measures passed by Congress, good officers will leave. As defunding takes place training will go down to near zero, so we will get new people in police forces with as little training as possible, they will be afraid since they don't know how to handle things. More bad police videos, more riots.

Chaos reigns, then the Dems will step up with a new national police force AKA KGB.

Once I thought America would balkanize. Now I am not sure since we have seen protest in Texas, Arizona and mid west states.

I no longer can see a peaceful way out of the mess the country is in.

The question is what will the right be willing to do to save the Republic?

Understand, the end game of the Dems, is tyranny.

[BoringGuy45]

I have a strong feeling what you are seeing at your location is probably more extreme than what I'm seeing at my location or saw at my previous location. That can change a persons perceptions dramatically.

I've I lived near Berkeley I'd probably be walking around with an "End of Days" sign. I also don't see the same number of true believers that existed in the late 60s, early 70s. There were some violent individuals who made the Manson family seem quaint and more importantly they were very organized and focus driven.

Look at the Cornell Hostage crisis. It was armed kidnapping and unlawful detention. However they won. All charges dropped, the entire university curriculum and structure of the university itself was altered according to the demands of armed terrorists and they became civil rights heroes and the truth of the crime is basically removed even from the internet.

Google Cornell Hostage Crisis and you will find only links to things like the Iranian Hostage crisis.

If armed conservatives took a university hostage and made demands regarding what was taught, by whom and how it was taught people would lose their minds. But when militant 60s radicals did it, they were saving the school.

Where I am specifically is not bad at all. I'm in a rural area that tends to be right-of-center and pretty well armed. Rioters are unlikely to be venture out this far. But the radical rhetoric I'm seeing parroted online by people I knew were liberal but not THAT liberal is scary. Also, the reports I'm getting from people I know who are living in the cities is very scary.