Will 2020 compare to 1968?

[SteyrAUG]

I wouldn't go so far as to say a GOP candidate (or President) wouldn't be called out on it. I mean, how long did they drag out that "meeting" that took place over the alleged Russian dirt on Hillary? Now, honestly, if a DNC candidate did it to the GOP, nobody would care and the media largely would ignore it. Want to know how I know? Because it happened in 2016 and the media by and large is ignoring it.

Nixon was a product of the American people finally having "enough" over a lot of things in the government. There was a distinct lack of trust going all the way back to 1963 when Kennedy was killed and people were starting to wake up to the fact government just couldn't be trusted to either tell the truth or do the right thing. I'll agree he did a lot of good things (I'll disagree with the moon plaque since in reality it was Johnson that got us there, Nixon just happened to be President when it happened) and strategically made us a safer country at the time. But Nixon was shady as all get out.

He was dead, but it was Kennedy more than Johnson and Nixon more than Johnson who got us to the moon. Johnson just knew he couldn't crap on Kennedy's legacy project. Johnson was also far more interested in building his Great Society and if he could, he's have scrapped the space program to make it happen.

That said, Nixon was shady as all get out so no argument there. I really tried to get that across. He might have been the worst person / good president we ever had with Carter easily winning the good person / worst president category.

Thankfully we get very few bad person / bad presidents and sadly good people / good presidents are also kinda rare.

[Alpha-17]

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I saw that last night and thought it had to be fake. Nope. Way to fit the stereotype there buckos.

In other news, if they've declared themselves independent from the US, anyone want to go play Filibuster and take over? I doubt it would be very hard.

It’s certainly getting nuts, isn’t it? I wonder if they’ll find Americans aren’t Frenchman?


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The Frenchmen of 1804 were helluva lot better soldiers than Americans were at the time, and arguably better at enduring shitty situations than modern American soldiers. The only reasons Haiti was able to get away with the revolution was the Royal Navy, and the fact that French troops were dropping like flies from disease.

[Diamondback]

If these insurrectionists wanna declare themselves "autonomous," then give it to 'em. Cut the power and water, they can figure out their own. Build REAL walls around it--Nothing in and nobody out for the duration. Full Batman "No Man's Land" treatment.

[ABNAK]

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That fat-assed bitch won't be able to get her booty out of the hood for too long without raiding a Popeye's or KFC.

[Grand58742]

He was dead, but it was Kennedy more than Johnson and Nixon more than Johnson who got us to the moon. Johnson just knew he couldn't crap on Kennedy's legacy project. Johnson was also far more interested in building his Great Society and if he could, he's have scrapped the space program to make it happen.

That said, Nixon was shady as all get out so no argument there. I really tried to get that across. He might have been the worst person / good president we ever had with Carter easily winning the good person / worst president category.

Thankfully we get very few bad person / bad presidents and sadly good people / good presidents are also kinda rare.

I think the matter could be debated about Johnson's love affair with the Space Race especially since NASA dumped a LOT of money into Texas during his tenure.

I will also agree Nixon was a horrible person and a decent President. But in reality, how many "good" men have we had as President since Carter that ended up being good or bad Presidents? In all honesty, how many "good" men prior to Carter have we had? The office doesn't lend itself to clean living despite the "high" standards we think we like to apply to the job.

[SteyrAUG]

I think the matter could be debated about Johnson's love affair with the Space Race especially since NASA dumped a LOT of money into Texas during his tenure.

I will also agree Nixon was a horrible person and a decent President. But in reality, how many "good" men have we had as President since Carter that ended up being good or bad Presidents? In all honesty, how many "good" men prior to Carter have we had? The office doesn't lend itself to clean living despite the "high" standards we think we like to apply to the job.

I can generally name 4 for the 20th century and none of them were perfect by a long shot.

Theodore Roosevelt - Conservationist who made us a super power. Massive ego that got people killed who didn't have to die.

Harry Truman - Dropped atomic bombs on Japan and likely saved millions of lives both American and Japanese. Also demonstrated to the Soviets he was willing to use the bomb which is the ONLY thing that kept Stalin out of Hokkaido. Got into a pissing match with MacArthur over the bomb rather than kicking his ass back in line and taking all of Korea.

John Kennedy - Kept the Cuban Missile Crisis from becoming a large exchange of nuclear weapons with Russia. Of course if he provided the promised support for the Bay of Pigs, the whole Cuban Missile Crisis might never have happened. He should have had the sack to run his own plays and not rely on his brother for advise.

Ronald Reagan - Put into place the actions that would end the cold war. Obviously he couldn't have done it alone and needed somebody like Gorbachev on the other side but Carter wouldn't have been able to do it because he didn't negotiate from a place of strength but from one of appeasement.

Those are the last great Presidents and each one has a laundry list of faults. I don't think we've had a "great" President in the 21rst century so far. We have two squandered opportunities so far. Bush (43) was very much a "meh" President.

[JoshNC]

If these insurrectionists wanna declare themselves "autonomous," then give it to 'em. Cut the power and water, they can figure out their own. Build REAL walls around it--Nothing in and nobody out for the duration. Full Batman "No Man's Land" treatment.

Exactly.