Defunding the Police and the War on Cops

[SeriousStudent]

In the words of Dan Ackroyd: "Maintain low tones."

I just cleaned up some posts. Let's remain calm, shall we? That includes not baiting others.

[Trihonda]

Outstanding thread. Well articulated arguments from all pov.
My big thing is-what exactly does one intend to achieve with this ‘defund’ mantra? Is it an actual thought out concept, or just another massproduced slogan that sounds good?
I really would like those that scream it so loudly to please explain to me in great detail what and how. For i have this darkbrown suspicion no one can and has..(but i could wrong, of course)..until then its a bit murky (and im being generous) and hard to form an opinion.

The BLM folks, and I’m not talking people that believe black lives matter, but the “organization”, is just antifa, in a different suit. They want to burn it all down. They are militant and have targeted every positive effort by police to make meaningful changes. They dont want police at the table. They want police gone. But they’re short sighted or just self serving criminals. They stand to benefit from the lack of police.

I’m not a conspiracy nut, but the more I think about it, BLM is funded by Soros, and I’m thinking they were just waiting for the next incident to spring into action... their response was too well orchestrated. And the lemmings are falling into line better than they could have ever dreamed of... this is scary folks... when we have mayors calling their cops “killers” and other agencies and cities are bending knees to the BLM organization (not just the idea), they’ve won. We can’t stand up to them without being labeled racist, and risk rioting. We are running scared.

[ryanm]

LA, NYC and Minneapolis

surprised DC, Austin, Seattle, San Francisco, and Portland aren't on the list... yet...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/defund-po...es-minneapolis

[T2C]

Most cities do not want the State Police to patrol their streets, because they have no control over them. If someone complains to the city council about a search warrant or arrest, there is nothing they can do about it.

Some small towns in our area contract with Sheriff's departments to patrol, but it can get real expensive if it requires more than one or two officers. The town council still has limited influence.

[BoringGuy45]

LA, NYC and Minneapolis

surprised DC, Austin, Seattle, San Francisco, and Portland aren't on the list... yet...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/defund-po...es-minneapolis

SF and Portland will likely top them all. They'll probably give Antifa/BLM official, legal police powers, suspend all constitutional rights, and give the militias the authority to shoot on sight anyone they wish without consequences. I'm not even kidding.

[jpmuscle]

The BLM folks, and I’m not talking people that believe black lives matter, but the “organization”, is just antifa, in a different suit. They want to burn it all down. They are militant and have targeted every positive effort by police to make meaningful changes. They dont want police at the table. They want police gone. But they’re short sighted or just self serving criminals. They stand to benefit from the lack of police.

I’m not a conspiracy nut, but the more I think about it, BLM is funded by Soros, and I’m thinking they were just waiting for the next incident to spring into action... their response was too well orchestrated. And the lemmings are falling into line better than they could have ever dreamed of... this is scary folks... when we have mayors calling their cops “killers” and other agencies and cities are bending knees to the BLM organization (not just the idea), they’ve won. We can’t stand up to them without being labeled racist, and risk rioting. We are running scared.

Lemmings is an understatement


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[Honu]

To your ties comment
Also unlimited funding by soros/Clinton so ammo or weapons will be paid for and provided if this goes further south
as to create well armed blm controlled forces including vehicles and armor vehicles body armor etc.... as Obama said about as well armed as the military or something like that ! That seems to be closer to end goal

Counterpoint would be the other side getting hold of that supplied stuff ?

besides a few antifa folks most on the right not sure how they will handle death and mayhem ? Will they fear it or embrace it


Either way this is happening quicker then I thought and hope it calms down ?

Awesome, armed citizen patrols worked so well in Sanford Florida - no possibility of any use-of-force problems or controversy. None whatsoever!

BTW that article is incredibly fawning and pro-left. (Maybe stating the obvious.)

Seriously - while I have no issue with honest and responsible citizens patrolling their neighborhoods, that's not what this artificial crisis is going to result in. More like gangland x1000 with most gangs having political ties and platforms, and some them being deemed governmental actors by a portion of the state government, but not by all of it. Imagine how you would interact with local police in the most corrupt parts of Mexico and that is what is coming here.

The end goal of this clumsiest and dumbest of color revolutions is to topple legitimate US government at all levels and turn this country into a totally-corrupt, globally useless has-been like 90's Russia.

[jsbhike]

Most cities do not want the State Police to patrol their streets, because they have no control over them. If someone complains to the city council about a search warrant or arrest, there is nothing they can do about it.

Some small towns in our area contract with Sheriff's departments to patrol, but it can get real expensive if it requires more than one or two officers. The town council still has limited influence.

While nothing is perfect, sheriff's offices have usually seemed to be a better route to me vs. city or state police.
Problems are sometimes dealt with faster with sheriff's, even the clinically dull know good/bad deputies work for the sheriff come election time versus not always the case with mayor/governors and police forces, and sheriff's tend to say "screw that" more often when bad ideas need enforcement as has been seen with anti 2nd Amendment laws in recent years.

[Life's a Hillary]

Does anyone have any evidence of all the Soros talk? Genuine question because it seems like an easy boogeymen to pin everything on and while I’m sure there are some organized groups instigating things, I’d like to see more than just tin foil hats as a source.

[polydeuces]

Putting the awesome power of the interweb at my disposal to work, googeling the crap out 'defunding the po-po', learning things are facepalm as expected.
No clear definition of concept, strategy - be it starting or exit - or anything otherwise well thought out is to be had.
Lotsa voices making the same noise, not a whole lot of real world common sense.

My main take-away is that many if not most of those screaming the loudest with the most radical proposals are also the ones most opposed to 2A rights. So then - who yer going to call...?
Which makes it somewhat amusing considering all (un)intended consequences. Karma will be merciless.