Defunding the Police and the War on Cops

[jpmuscle]

Police can commit the offense of brandishing also.

https://lawreview.richmond.edu/2017/...eally-a-thing/

And there all manner of things, such as gun control currently and activities such as removing Americans of Japanese descent from their property, that have the blessing of judges despite being abhorrent to oaths taken by all involved.

Yawn. Did you miss the part where I said lawful?


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[BoringGuy45]

We are in a time where good citizens are threatened, boycotted, doxxed and fired if they:
1. Support the police
2. Support President Trump
3. Stand for the National Anthem

Yet, somehow Conservatives are constantly labeled as hateful, bigoted and violent people.

That's the logic these days: If I punch you in the nose, you're the one who should go to jail for bruising my knuckles with your face.

[jsbhike]

Yawn. Did you miss the part where I said lawful?


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Yawn, we have all seen what constitutes lawful.

[Belmont31R]

That's the logic these days: If I punch you in the nose, you're the one who should go to jail for bruising my knuckles with your face.

That bullshit by the left was only a mantra to help them get engrained in the culture, and has been shed once the usefulness ended.

I've been watching a lot of the protests and George Floyd has been out of the picture for a few weeks now already outside of an occasional mention. Now its LGBT, rich people, etc.

BLM does not represent a majority of black people in this country. Theres still a ton of disdain for gays and the commie crew will have to deal with an angry black population once the realization hits that communists don't give a **** about poor people beyond feeding them into the machine that keeps white liberals in power.

[WillBrink]

So why bother with the oath if they have no idea what they are swearing to?

Hmmm, there me be some ground between being Constitutional experts and having "no idea what they are swearing to." Obviously some are much more learned than others on the topic. Does not alter what I said.

[ScottsBad]

Its too bad that the Police have been put in the position of having to violate our constitutional rights because they are forced to enforce unconstitutional laws and orders from superiors.

I've always been ambivalent about the Police and I think that skepticism is the only rational way to look at the relationship between LE and citizens. Any person or persons that has the power to take away your rights (including your life) and is capable of human mistakes, evil, emotion, or ulterior motives, must not be completely trusted any more than you might trust any other stranger, at least until you can take good measure of the man.

Given my ambivalence, I do, in principle, support the Police. I find most of them to be very good people. I think it is crazy to consider defunding the police. I think policing is an essential service. I think these big city mayors are crazy communists, and now the DAs have gone mad too.

I would like to see the Police paid much better so that we can demand higher quality candidates. I would like to see better Police training before they hit the streets.

My support doesn't mean that I believe ALL Police are good or fair or even sane. Some appear to become easily agitated and angry. There are some who appear to enjoy having power over others. Some just will not accept that they are wrong.

Over the years I've learned its better not to argue with or disrespect an Officer, they have a tough job to do. Just take it to court and work it out there. Most Cops and Judges are reasonable if you are not a scumbag criminal.

[Belmont31R]

Its too bad that the Police have been put in the position of having to violate our constitutional rights because they are forced to enforce unconstitutional laws and orders from superiors.

I've always been ambivalent about the Police and I think that skepticism is the only rational way to look at the relationship between LE and citizens. Any person or persons that has the power to take away your rights (including your life) and is capable of human mistakes, evil, emotion, or ulterior motives, must not be completely trusted any more than you might trust any other stranger, at least until you can take good measure of the man.

Given my ambivalence, I do, in principle, support the Police. I find most of them to be very good people. I think it is crazy to consider defunding the police. I think policing is an essential service. I think these big city mayors are crazy communists, and now the DAs have gone mad too.

I would like to see the Police paid much better so that we can demand higher quality candidates. I would like to see better Police training before they hit the streets.

My support doesn't mean that I believe ALL Police are good or fair or even sane. Some appear to become easily agitated and angry. There are some who appear to enjoy having power over others. Some just will not accept that they are wrong.

Over the years I've learned its better not to argue with or disrespect an Officer, they have a tough job to do. Just take it to court and work it out there. Most Cops and Judges are reasonable if you are not a scumbag criminal.

Most of the issues are because we've had shitty legislation for decades that subverts the spirit and letter of the law.

One of the things I deal with the most as a regular citizen going about my business is fishing stops. I work nights and even in a small town there is often 2-3 cops sitting along the main HWY through town with the sheriffs deputies sitting just beyond the city limits. Anyone with a burnt out light gets a stop. They couldn't care less about a burnt out light but its an excuse to get contact with someone and see what they're up to. The official line is something like 'motorist safety' but the real reason is get drugs or a DUI and try to get up in the car to see whats in there. I got pulled over once in this way for a 'broken plate bulb' when my car has two bulbs and only one was burnt out. Didn't even get asked for insurance or registration just my license to do a warrant check and to see if any smells or plain sight shit was around. This puts regular good people at odds with the police right off the bat because its like everyone is guilty until proven otherwise. Now every time I drive by one I get to wonder if I have a random bulb out I get to get pulled over for at 2AM after working a 10-12 hour shift.

The vast majority of the country has no problem with police doing a legit investigation, and arresting people doing bad things. Its easy to go beyond that and use 'busting criminals' as an excuse to start shaking the tree of society to see what falls in their lap. A metaphor but people get really pissed off when they get hassled and weren't doing anything criminal, and taking that a step further anything actually hurting anyone.

Theres also a difference in big blue state and city police vs red state and rural areas. For a long time I've watched police shows where deep blue area cops love nothing more than taking guns away from people. Their state laws don't allow people to protect themselves, and the fervor some of these officers have to get people on gun crimes that are ****ing stupid is a scary thing to see coming from the perspective of something that is an absolutist 2A supporter. A rural sheriffs deputy that owns guns and supports people's rights is a lot different of a cop than some deep blue state officer.

I do have respect for the guys in the inner city dealing with absolute shit heads all day and night for years on end. I can see how people become jaded and lose an aspect of humanity that keeps most people within the rules of a civil society. At a certain point people just get mad and stop giving a **** about doing the right thing and start playing mental games to justify out of bounds or questionable behavior. It happens in the mil too when you deploy a guy 5 times in 5 years or regular army units doing 15 month rotations. At a point people just lose their moral compass and take on an 'ends justify the means' approach. Doing the right thing is a lot harder than doing the easy wrong, and everyone has a limit. Some people just get setup for failure right out of the gate.

This is so complex there's no 1 or 2 or even 3 'quick fixes' but what this reminds me most of is Vietnam vs. GWOT era unit and troop rotations. In Vietnam they deployed entire units who stayed there for years. People rotated in and out but the unit never left until the end of the war or some draw down. So a new fresh dude would show up and learn from the salty dudes who had been there a long time. The animosity and hatred gets transferred to the new guy so they are poisoned before even getting off the ground. In GWOT entire units get rotated in and out so people started out together with a fresh perspective and for the most part the bitter/sour types already ETS'ed out or you knew what their outlook was months before you step foot in country. Put that dichotomy onto our police forces, and I don't see how anyone mentally survives working a shit inner city area for 20 years or how they're influencing the new guys coming in.

In the George Floyd case it was the veteran dude with almost 20 on the job who ****ed up while the guy who had been there less than a week was the one asking if it was ok.

[jpmuscle]

Yawn, we have all seen what constitutes lawful.

You really sitting there getting your panties in a bunch because cops point guns at people?

Peak lolz


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[jpmuscle]

Hmmm, there me be some ground between being Constitutional experts and having "no idea what they are swearing to." Obviously some are much more learned than others on the topic. Does not alter what I said.

It has to do with not knowing ever single law and subsection in a given penal code. Because nobody is going to be able to do that.

Arguably there are to many laws on the books. But shit gets normalized over time (every gun law for instance) and here we are.


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[flenna]

Arguably there are to many laws on the books. But shit gets normalized over time (every gun law for instance) and here we are. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I remember reading that last year California passed over 600 NEW laws. 600 laws! In the most regulated state in the country. You guys that live there must easily break 15 or 20 a day. And that is before leaving the house....