Defunding the Police and the War on Cops

[morbidbattlecry]

I never under stood the "defunding as punishment" for government agencies.

[jsbhike]

Here is my take on that; People get the Police force they want via the Politicians they vote for and the general hue and cry from the Citizens.
We have a neighbor web site, One recent gem was "My neighbor is shooting off Fireworks at 8:45 pm, Should I call the Cops?
People are jerks, but they don't want to be a jerk in person so they send the Cops over to "Fix you right up." They make the problem worse, by not stepping up themselves and asking politely, they rat you out anonymously and kind of hope you end up tazed and in the drunk tank.
Cops suck because People and Politicians suck.
Cops aren't writing the laws or calling the mayor over some measly thing or another. They've usually got enough to do without playing the ticket game around here.
But all it takes if one F'ed up Cop and we want to burn down the system?

But LE through their organizations do lobby for laws and/or exemptions for themselves. I recall the crock that is Lautenberg and the FOP lobbying for exemptions for their officers who had misdemeanor domestic violence convictions under their belts, but fully supported the unwashed peon masses getting screwed by it.

I don't think the issue is solely with police by any means. I think immunity and exemption needs to go away entirely. When one group has special privileges then rights don't matter to them. Judges constantly siding with infringements wouldn't happen if it was affecting them as an example.

As for the complaints, that could be rectified by putting the whiners skin in the game and that should go for private or public.

[yoni]

Yeah, I've been there. I've also lived for several months in middle-class Port-au-Prince, Haiti, where we actively had to protect citizens from police. They're shitholes, no doubt. That doesn't really help your case, though. The US was supposed to be the "city on a hill" the shining light of freedom and civil liberties, not "well, we're better than the worst places on Earth, so eh, good enough." Just because other places have it worse doesn't mean we shouldn't address the problems we do have.

You made my case. I have also been in Haiti, since I wanted to buy a farm on the other side of the island I went to Haiti to see for myself how bad it is.
I agree we need to address the problems we have, for that is one of the things that helps us be better.
I have no love for police officers that do not respect the Constitution and abuse by what ever means the American people. I also know that we have a small very small part of the American people that regardless of color are assholes that must be dealt with in a way that I would not support as being the way to handle all the people.

[LMT Shooter]

......I also know that we have a small very small part of the American people that regardless of color are assholes that must be dealt with in a way that I would not support as being the way to handle all the people.

That is the crux of it, right there. And most folks are of two minds on this, they abhor the way some scumabags get treated, until they are the victim, then they're OK with an asshole getting the shit knocked outta them or shot.

[LMT Shooter]

This all is classic liberal/leftist ignorance. You want better cops, so you take funding AWAY from them? Brilliant! We will certainly get better doctors if medical schools get less money, right?

[jsbhike]

I agree we need to address the problems we have, for that is one of the things that helps us be better.

I couldn't agree more.

[mrbieler]

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[jsbhike]

That is the crux of it, right there. And most folks are of two minds on this, they abhor the way some scumabags get treated, until they are the victim, then they're OK with an asshole getting the shit knocked outta them or shot.

I hear things like that and occasionally hear victims say they want "someone" punished which seems to not necessarily mean only the perpetrator getting hammered will satisfy their need for revenge.

That's why I don't want the ditch all police thing because I don't want Bob and his cousin Doug see me drive past Bob's elderly Mother's house where they go in and find her dead prompting them to run me down and beat me to death prior to finding out she died of an aneurysm during the autopsy 2 days later. I want fair and impartial and in way too many areas historically, and currently, that isn't the case.

Another thing is, someone that gets beat to within an inch of their life(or all the way) in a police encounter isn't often the perp of the crime of the century. While any semblance of justice can't function this way, I could at least empathize with pounding a child molester in to the ground, but way too often the person getting beat did little to nothing beyond offending the officer(s) involved.

[Honu]

Ditto if/And actually prosecute criminals rather then letting them go !
When you see the guy who stole your car has been arrested 24 times for car theft kinda thing

We wouldn’t need the police nearly to the extent that we do if it wasn’t for enforcing stupid laws that shouldn’t exist.

I’ll all for cutting the numbers of laws in half and cutting down the police to match.

I’m 37 years old. In my experience the Police have not been there for me in my life. Robbed?, house broken into? No help, they take a half assed report, poke around and shrug thier shoulders. Other the one time when the officer told me he knew who the four individuals were, they were under 18 and there was nothing he could/would do.

Meanwhile I watch criminality around all the time. Drugs sold on street corners, Bums begging at every corner, graffiti all over the city. These are things I want stopped and they are not.

I have been pulled over and given speeding tickets plenty in my life. The most they have done is cost me money for speeding in zones that are outrageously low marked limits, almost like they want though to speed so they can ticket you.

So I can do with out the Police. I can especially do with out the militariazation of the police. Until I feel like police actually act in my best interest and make my world more enjoyable to be in I am certainly not a ‘back the blue’ type. To me cops are just people, and like people, some are good some are not. They work a job they picked, it was their choice, don’t like it? become a firefighter.

Oh, and don’t even get me started on the fact they get to ‘investigate themselves’ if you don’t think that little system is rife with room for abuse you’re not paying attention.

[PracticalRifleman]

At least George Floyd won’t point a gun at another pregnant woman’s womb again.


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