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To me it's not a binary choice. I love Mattis. But I will vote (again) for Trump. In a battleground state, we're in a position of "to not vote is a vote", and I sure as hell ain't voting for Biden.Originally Posted by 1168
That said, if I had to be led by one, or the other, it isn't Trump....
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You’re not the people I’m talking about. We’re probably in agreement.
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This is my view point as well. President Trump is far from perfect, but I’m not voting for Biden. I have respect Gen Mattis, but that doesn’t mean I blindly agree with him. More that a few of the retired generals who have come out against President Trump this week are pro gun control and have stated publicly that firearms like the AR-15 don’t belong in the hands of civilians. I spent 22 years as an officer in the USAF and in my experience the advice of an E-8 is much more valuable than the advice from O-8.
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It can be two things at once. It can be a deeply held belief that Trump is wrong to consider civil disobedience as a threat to our nation, while recognizing that Joe Biden would be more amenable to the military industrial complex than Trump.
Trump has a golden opportunity presented to him on a platter with these troubles, and he sent it back to the kitchen like it was a steak not charred into a hockey puck. He has foolishly squandered an opportunity that could've ensured him a win in November. Now he'll have to fight for it and those of us who value ALL of the Constitution, will have to hold our noses if we vote for him.
What if this whole crusade's a charade?
And behind it all there's a price to be paid
For the blood which we dine
Justified in the name of the holy and the divine…
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I can't respect a guy who has an emotional breakdown over CNN's version of reality, not the actual reality. Mattis is over the hill, or let emotions get the better of his judgment. The protesters were not peaceful, tear gas was not used, and neither were active troops.
The idea that active military is the last resort, as the Sec said, and Trump threatening the send the military if States and cities didn't get thing under control, seems to be more of a media made controversy.
Barr said about the same thing, plans are in place but only as a last resort.
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I agree completely. I think he showed terrible leadership during this and I have seen some of the most ardent Trump supporters say they are considering just sitting out this next election because they can't hold their nose and vote for him again. It is going to be an uphill battle, far steeper than it should have been, but if the economy explodes in the latter half of this year, like it definitely could, then I think he still has a chance. It's a shame that it's come to this though.It can be two things at once. It can be a deeply held belief that Trump is wrong to consider civil disobedience as a threat to our nation, while recognizing that Joe Biden would be more amenable to the military industrial complex than Trump.
Trump has a golden opportunity presented to him on a platter with these troubles, and he sent it back to the kitchen like it was a steak not charred into a hockey puck. He has foolishly squandered an opportunity that could've ensured him a win in November. Now he'll have to fight for it and those of us who value ALL of the Constitution, will have to hold our noses if we vote for him.
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You know, General Mattis has a valid opinion;
I'm just not cool with coming out against the old Chain of Command. Really? I didn't like it when I was serving, I still don't like it now. Mattis should have got an appointment and laid it out in person.
Having said all that, Mattis's opinion about what is going on in the Trump Presidency is based upon what he see's now. What he isn't seeing is the bigger picture, the whole landscape of the responsibilities, it was that way even when he was in the cabinet.
Yeah, that's too bad General Mattis, I will be voting for Trump again though.
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I have seen the same thing with many Israeli generals.
Never under estimate the power of;
1. numbered Swiss bank account
2. ego
Those in the know in Israel understand the following, most Lt. Col's are still true warriors, split on full Colonels, brigadier generals minority are still warriors, all general rank about need to be issued special pants with reinforced knees
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I know there were a lot of General Officers removed during the Obama Administration, but I can't think that all of them now believe that insurrection if defined by protests with looting arson and violence isn't happening now.
Wasn't their a violent mob in front of the White House trying the perimeter a couple of days ago?
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I wonder if anybody here is old enough to remember when Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne into Little Rock back in 1957?
http://armored-column.com/little-roc...orne-division/
He flew a 1,000 troops in to assist with the civil rights movement.
I met General Mattis a long time ago in South Korea outside Pohang. He was a Captain, and I was a Corporal. He was surprised to see a Corporal reading Marcus Aurelius, and I was surprised to see an officer not bitch about my filthy uniform. A pleasant conversation ensued while we waited for a ride back to our respective units.
I dunno about what is going on now. I figure they will all get it settled without the world blowing up, and next week people will be watching reruns of "Dancing With the Stars" again.
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