Breonna Tayloris Event re Opened

[WillBrink]

This is the event that should have made people really angry. That it was not on vid failed to appeal to the ADHD gen, but this is unacceptable. That and it was not about race, made it a blip on the radar. Other than extremis circumstances, I'm not for banning them outright but the justification for their use and requirements to obtain them should be raised signifacntly, and if LE goes to the wrong home and gets shot at, that's 100% on them. That's one of the few things that's literally 100% avoidable, or call it 99.9% avoidable in the name of good science. Unfortunately and per usual, some are trying to make this event about race, and like the Floyd event, not an iota of evidence race was a factor, but that's how they maintain power by keeping people polarized:

So, this case is being re opened by the feds:

"According to the lawsuit, Walker was startled by the sound of people attempting to ram his door and called 911 before firing a shot from his licensed firearm, striking an officer in the leg. He was initially charged with firing at an officer, but that charge has been dropped pending indictment.

“The FBI will collect all available facts and evidence and will ensure that the investigation is conducted in a fair, thorough and impartial manner. As this is an ongoing investigation, we are not able to comment further at this time,” said Special Agent in Charge Robert Brown in a statement on Thursday. Louisville Police Department Chief Steve Conrad admitted that the officers were not wearing body cameras"

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https://relevantmagazine.com/current...been-reopened/

[officerX]

Why are we rehashing this?


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[jsbhike]

Unfortunately and per usual, some are trying to make this event about race, and like the Floyd event, not an iota of evidence race was a factor, but that's how they maintain power by keeping people polarized:

I don't think this was about race, and don't really care why any wrong was done, but I thought the same about the Floyd and Arbery incidents and both of those are starting to appear to have a racial component if the statements made by Floyd's/Chauvin's coworker and Roddy Bryan about Travis McMichael are accurate.

[BoringGuy45]

I don't think this was about race, and don't really care why any wrong was done, but I thought the same about the Floyd and Arbery incidents and both of those are starting to appear to have a racial component if the statements made by Floyd's/Chauvin's coworker and Roddy Bryan about Travis McMichael are accurate.

It wasn't about race. It was about a few cops and a judge who were SOOOO worried that whatever drug dealer they were looking for would flush his stash down the toilet if they knocked and announced that they felt they had to hit the house in the middle of the night like DEVGRU. To the surprise of nobody, the legally armed homeowner responded the way a legally armed homeowner would when three armed men burst into his home at 1am.

Here's where qualified immunity becomes a paradox: These officers are probably going to walk because they were acting in good faith with the no knock, and even when they started shooting back, they were still acting with reasonable and necessary force.

This isn't a race issue. This is an overly aggressive drug war issue. This also isn't even close to the first time that this has happened to either black OR white homeowners. No knock warrants need to ONLY be reserved for hitting a house where the members are known for sure to be heavily armed and members Los Zetas, MS-13, ISIS, or some other ultra violent gang/terrorist group.

[WillBrink]

Why are we rehashing this?

Because the case was re opened. Re hashing? I don't recall the original hashing here myself. Maybe I missed it.

[WillBrink]

It wasn't about race. It was about a few cops and a judge who were SOOOO worried that whatever drug dealer they were looking for would flush his stash down the toilet if they knocked and announced that they felt they had to hit the house in the middle of the night like DEVGRU. To the surprise of nobody, the legally armed homeowner responded the way a legally armed homeowner would when three armed men burst into his home at 1am.

Here's where qualified immunity becomes a paradox: These officers are probably going to walk because they were acting in good faith with the no knock, and even when they started shooting back, they were still acting with reasonable and necessary force.

This isn't a race issue. This is an overly aggressive drug war issue. This also isn't even close to the first time that this has happened to either black OR white homeowners. No knock warrants need to ONLY be reserved for hitting a house where the members are known for sure to be heavily armed and members Los Zetas, MS-13, ISIS, or some other ultra violent gang/terrorist group.

While I don't know the letter of the law on that, it seems very hard to use that one when entering the wrong house. They personally may not be to blame (not knowing who chose the house, etc) but someone is responsible for that F up.

[1168]

It wasn't about race. It was about a few cops and a judge who were SOOOO worried that whatever drug dealer they were looking for would flush his stash down the toilet if they knocked and announced that they felt they had to hit the house in the middle of the night like DEVGRU. To the surprise of nobody, the legally armed homeowner responded the way a legally armed homeowner would when three armed men burst into his home at 1am.

Here's where qualified immunity becomes a paradox: These officers are probably going to walk because they were acting in good faith with the no knock, and even when they started shooting back, they were still acting with reasonable and necessary force.

This isn't a race issue. This is an overly aggressive drug war issue. This also isn't even close to the first time that this has happened to either black OR white homeowners. No knock warrants need to ONLY be reserved for hitting a house where the members are known for sure to be heavily armed and members Los Zetas, MS-13, ISIS, or some other ultra violent gang/terrorist group.

You make some good points here. Callouts make waaaay more sense in most statewide objectives.

Edit: and the drug war needs to stop being a freaking war.

[WillBrink]

You make some good points here. Callouts make waaaay more sense in most statewide objectives.

Edit: and the drug war needs to stop being a freaking war.

A war that by any metric was lost a long time ago.

[jsbhike]

While I don't know the letter of the law on that, it seems very hard to use that one when entering the wrong house. They personally may not be to blame (not knowing who chose the house, etc) but someone is responsible for that F up.

I can't find where these 2 were ever charged with anything.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95475&page=1

A lieutenant over seeing the operation was fired and charged with several crimes, but was not convicted.

[C-grunt]

While I don't know the letter of the law on that, it seems very hard to use that one when entering the wrong house. They personally may not be to blame (not knowing who chose the house, etc) but someone is responsible for that F up.

I thought the wrong house thing turned out to be false?