
Originally Posted by
MountainRaven
Have some American troops in Vladivostok, there to fight the communists... while Germany was helping the communists, after literally giving Lenin a train to travel to St. Petersburg.
And Germany helped Lenin get to Russia because they hoped he would screw up Russia so bad that they would drop out of the war. Germany was right and Russia did drop out of the war. But it wasn't Germany promoting communism so much as Germany using communist forces to undermine an enemy.
Anyone can look any of this stuff up.
Also for a few other members, Hitler wasn't a socialist so much as he was a "power by any method" kind of person. Ernst Rohm was definitely socialist and imagined a Socialist Germany. Goebbels was also extremely socialists and both of them viewed Russia as a potential ideological ally. Hitler killed Rohm for that reason and others (Rohm also wanted the SA to replace or become an auxiliary to the German military) and Goebbels became flexible with his political views.
Hitler allied with communist Russia when it was expedient to do so, he then attacked communist Russia when he felt it was expedient to do so. That doesn't make Hitler a communist or a socialist.
In fact Hitler joined the NSDAP (The National Socialist German Workers Party). Hitler wasn't German, he was Austrian, he wasn't a worker, he briefly supported himself as a starving artist before he became a politician, went to jail and became a different kind of politician. One could argue he was an author, but that isn't really a "worker" in the context of the NSDAP. Hitler was hardly a nationalist, he presided over the destruction of Germany and the german people, he clearly didn't give a F about either one of them, they were only a means to pursue his own ambitions and he was hardly a socialist, he used emergency powers to create a dictatorship as fast as he was able.
It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.
Chuck, we miss ya man.
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