Rasmussen Poll- 34% of Americans feel Civil War likely within 5 years

[AndyLate]

You do know you are saying the exact same thing right?

Please read the edited post.

It's not the same thing. I will smile on the gallows for ending anyone attempting to kill my family.

Also, the Police and Military serve us, our country, our way of life. Many/most of the members here or their close family has or are serving.

Now if you wanna start dragging Congress members, Federal Judges, Marxist Mayors, and maybe even some Police Chiefs out of their beds and beating some sense into them in the street, I am completely behind you.

Andy

[Esq.]

Stop sayin'. You are talking about U.S. Law Enforcement and Military. I catch someone moving against my Brother's or Son's families and I'll park a car in front of their door and burn the house to the ground around them.
Andy

P.S. Edited because I have no desire to threaten a member and it sure came across that way.

I'm sorry but people better damn sure reconcile themselves that historically, the guys loading people on cattle cars are wearing spiffy uniforms and clutching papers that say they are doing so in the name of the law. Guess what? They arent the Boy Scouts.. They are "following orders".....I dont give a damn WHO they are at that point.

[AndyLate]

I'm sorry but people better damn sure reconcile themselves that historically, the guys loading people on cattle cars are wearing spiffy uniforms and clutching papers that say they are doing so in the name of the law. Guess what? They arent the Boy Scouts.. They are "following orders".....I dont give a damn WHO they are at that point.

Guess what? We ain't Nazis or Marxists. Threatening the families of Police officers and Servicemembers is threatening my family.

Shit goes sideways and my brother will probably kill a lot more leftists than you, and he will be wearing issued body armor and using a supressed full auto HK SBR to do it.

Full disclosure - I had surgery this morning and I may still be flushing anesthesia out of my system.

Andy

[gaijin]

Yep. In agreement with this- the “merely following orders” part.
Won’t fly.

Still I suggest reserving some of our piss and vinegar for an appropriate time, which I’m sure we ALL hope never arrives.

[Adrenaline_6]

Guess what? We ain't Nazis or Marxists. Threatening the families of Police officers and Servicemembers is threatening my family.

Shit goes sideways and my brother will probably kill a lot more leftists than you, and he will be wearing issued body armor and using a supressed full auto HK SBR to do it.

Full disclosure - I had surgery this morning and I may still be flushing anesthesia out of my system.

Andy

I think some conclusions have been jumped to. You both are on the same side. He is talking about the ones who lock step with those politicians you despise. The ones who don't isn't what he is talking about.

[Esq.]

Guess what? We ain't Nazis or Marxists. Threatening the families of Police officers and Servicemembers is threatening my family.

Shit goes sideways and my brother will probably kill a lot more leftists than you, and he will be wearing issued body armor and using a supressed full auto HK SBR to do it.

Full disclosure - I had surgery this morning and I may still be flushing anesthesia out of my system.

Andy

I know its very unpleasant for us right leaning "law and order, stars and stripes" folks to understand but the plain facts are that people dont walk themselves into the gas chambers or dig their own graves.

You and I may not be Nazis or Marxists, but in the very near future, the people giving "lawful orders" will be. I would surely like to believe nobody will follow them but history shows that to be extremely naive.

[Esq.]

I think some conclusions have been jumped to. You both are on the same side. He is talking about the ones who lock step with those politicians you despise. The ones who don't isn't what he is talking about.

Fair enough. Thats why I asked earlier, "Are your local Accountability Files up to date?" You should already have a pretty good idea on where everyone stands and plan accordingly.....

[ndmiller]

Sure are real issues of disagreement and then there is imagined internet conspiracy theory disagreement using general words to describe the other side as evil and the destroyer of the country. They want to take this they want to destroy that.....move on the world is changing.

What's the magical civil war issue where "They" Americans are taking arms up against "They" Americans allegedly?

The only thing I deny is that either side is doing anything but enriching themselves instead of representing and governing. Vote everyone out and bring term limits down to a bare minimum so no-one in government can get entrenched enough to profit.

People taking up arms against other people on a common issue complete nonsense. People killing each other daily like normal, absolutely going on now and won't stop anytime soon. Start executing people on national TV and it will get the highest ratings and the killing will slow. Start wholesale executions of the entire family tree of a violent criminals on national TV, peace at last.

[Jellybean]

The very best thing for this country would be for trump to win, and several big blue states to secede.

The USA needs to break up. If it does not, millions will needlessly die. Rather than kill each other en masse, why not amicably separate?

But the left won’t have that unless they’re under the impression they thought of it first. Because they are imperialists at heart; they aren’t satisfied knowing there’s rural bitter clingers out there . . . . people who don’t agree with their ideas . . . . those people are deplorables and should be bought to their knees before the power of their governance. They want your way of life irradicated. BUT if they formally secede first, that tyranny stuff takes a back seat for now.

Holy crap, we actually agree on something. Things must really be going to shit...
But this is exactly what I've been trying to get people I know to see for years; divorce now, while there's still a chance to walk away with minimal fuss, before thing go full retard and there's no coming back from a lot of awfulness.
The other best-case scenario would simple be a 'fracturing' of states as they increasingly ignore Federal control. Sort of going back to the concept of a "union OF states".
Granted, I doubt the lefties would ever do/allow either such thing, because, like I said below here, it would be a Pandora's box too advantageous for everyone else to share in (also it would smash their rainbow-diversity nonsense since the Black nationalists and Aztlan types would immediately want a slice too). But one can dream.
The way I see it, more like we're going to have to be the 'bad guys' in the equation. That's going to suck, but there's really no other viable alternative.

Balkanization is the preferred solution. If you haven't looked lately THEY ARE WINNING and the timeline of history suggests that they will continue to do so until what you think etc...is completely irrelevant. So, we can accept Communist tyranny- long term option, we can murder the shit out of one another in another Civil War, short term option with no guarantee of success, or we can secede and hope it's enough to save something of the American experiment.

I doubt, if things go the way it seems, people are going to want to save anything of this "experiment". Other than that... yeah, that's a solid three sentence summary of the page I was about to type out...

...What you guys are not getting is balkanization is also a fairy tale dream. You are still trying to apply the leave me alone and I will leave you alone concept to a set of humans that never believed in that concept to begin with. Why would they now?

Because....

What it gives us is clear boundaries, this is yours and this is ours. If "they" leave their base camp then they can be dealt with appropriately. I don't like it either just trying to find the best bad idea there is to be had.

...This.
Nobody said anything about "leave each other alone". Like others have said, at least one side of this tango can't fathom such heresy.
The one possibility is that, whoever goes at it first with any modicum of success will open the can of worms, and everyone else will want their piece of the pie, then everyone will be so busy glomming onto a slice of land for their faction, they'll be to busy to fight us AND every other faction that also wants their 'slice'. Sort of a violent level of balance.
Kinda goes to what someone was saying before about nukes; they don't STOP people from trying to destroy you, they merely ensure they have to take the hard way if they want to do it.

But as to the "boundaries" thing, that's exactly the point.
I think a little honest introspection will get people to agree we won't "take back America".
The future is a new country, under a new flag, whether it's yours or the enemy. Why not yours?
One of the many things the center/right sucks at is selling people on a cause; and as the left has so handily figured out, you sell people on "progress" and "a future", not the past.
Some form of balkanization event (OR, simply a more aggressive separation of states from the FedGov) allows your faction to plant your flag in the ground, and say "this is ours, this is what we're fighting for", and right there you've given people a purpose; something worth fighting to create, and to protect.
After all, this is America... we love under-dogs...

I keep hearing "there is no way out" and "prepare for what is coming".
THIS IS A WAY OUT!
What the hell else am I 'preparing' for otherwise? WACO 2.0? F** that. Last stands are for either desperate times fighting for something worthwhile, or when you screwed up so bad you haven't got a choice. If that's the choice, frankly, I kind of get where Nightvisionary is getting at buying stocks in Nike...
Nobody ever won anything by dying for a country that doesn't want them anyway; they win by sticking a flag in a piece of dirt and getting all intolerant about BTFO'ing anyone that tries to stop them.
And if you die in the process, well... how would you rather say you spent your one day as a Lion?
Fighting some minions of the leftists, or trying to actually DO something of worth?
"Find me somewhere to fight for sir; anywhere but here.."

That's why there's so much navel-gazing confusion on our side; everyone's milling around because today, we know we have to fight but there is nothing to fight for. The sensible among us can see that any action is just going to be a flash in the pan, and we're future-builders, not 'instant-but-pointless-gratification' types.

It's inevitable either way. As constitutional conservative Americans we are just Biden our time. We are the new white Russians and Kuomintang. The best we can hope for is a Nationalist Chinese style exodus to Formosa in the form of the American redoubt.

The left at the impetus of the Soviet KGB laid the groundwork for the war in the 1950's, fought it over the last 55 years and have won. Right now they are just in the mopping up stages. What was so ingenious about their strategy is the other side was so apathetic most did not even realize the war was fought until the war was over. They took over education, entertainment and communications decades ago. Once that happened it was a done deal. Amerika will soon have the same Democrat/Communist/Socialist super majority and exec branch like we see in many states such as Oregon. This country will soon be a one party system. Some of you are still in the denial phase of grief. The great experiment has ended.

Exactly.
You just summed up the exact reason to separate.
Until we cut ourselves off from the constant IV of leftist poison, we will never freely be able to decide on a course for our future.
If we stay, there will always be the "creeping compromise" and "fellow countrymen" to give you the big doe-eyes to get you to accept a little poison at a time, until anything we'd have gained would be frittered away spoonful by spoonful, until in short order we are right back where we are.

So, we haven't even fought a true war yet, and we're already planning on retreating?

Sometimes the only winning move is to play as little as possible. Kind of what I was getting at back in the NFAC thread per III%'ers; unless they're in your 'hood, don't waste time on idiots, prep for a worthwhile fight.

I can't believe 4 or 5 pages have been wasted over arguing about the definition of empire. Kind of reminds me of the South Park episode I watched the other day where the two nerds came to blows over the total number of original Star Trek episodes. 72 or 73 based on whether or not the two part Menagerie episode counted as 1 or 2 episodes...

^^^
This.
The exact thing I've gotten all preachy over from time to time.
Just an endless circle-j*** to oblivion.
Someone earlier asked "if this is a foregone conclusion, why wait?"
Well, because we're still too busy arguing on the internet about exactly what conclusions to draw from the obvious.

[PracticalRifleman]

Interesting notion when it comes to Balkanization: there is not more than a 20 or 30% swing anywhere. Balkanization means that a large portion doesn’t want to be governed as end future may hold.


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